some content in vanilla/tbc/wrath has and always will be challenging content for some people, and easy for others.
it’s normal, some people won’t reach Mythic raiding in retail and that’s also normal.
I feel like when you start nerfing all this content, and you start handing out free gear, why does it give people a reason to log in.
I can see the benefit of catch-up systems and making content available to all not a percentage of players.
However, catch systems are implemented in phase 4, and people have always known TBC content to be more challenging and engaging than vanilla.
i feel like if you nerf too much content, give too many handouts, and change too many features of the game, it’s not really TBC anymore.
Ideally we want to re-create the original TBC experience, that’s what the TBC hype was all about.
I just feel like if we start manipulating the game to cater to people who are only going to spend 2-4 hours a week on the game anyway, we just destroy TBC and why people fell in love with it
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You are getting post nerf raids, live with it or find a new game.
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So the top 0.1% elite raiders? I completely agree with you, let’s not cater to them as there’s not many enough of them to matter. Let’s cater to more regular players and keep things nerfed. Glad you agree.
People who want a legit challenge can always bring less raiders. Do it with 18 instead of 25. Before you say I’m being sarcastic, that’s exactly what the pros always did. Paragon did LK HC 25 back in OG Wrath with 0% buff to prove they could. They didn’t need to, there was no competition for world’s first no buff kill, they did it as a personal challenge. If you want a personal challenge, you can follow their example.
Can also nerf 5man HCs to the ground. People who want hard HCs can always 3-man them.
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You definitely don’t understand metrics. Catering to casuals is how you keep more subs and retain a majority of the player base. Why do you think pay to win is so popular with other games and the gaming industry as a whole? People like the dopamine from winning and being rewarded. Not losing and wasting their time.
Different times my friend. I just wish they’d call it tbc remix
Yes we would SO much like this, but with way shorter phases, and the overpopulated Mega-servers, it is not the same any more.
Something has to / should have been done about this, upping drop rates, slightly lowering some difficulties … or something.
Also I have a feeling that it’s not an either or. Most players should be able to finish every raid not only the top 100 guilds or some arbitrary number - not everybody either - but most. It should still be fun, but challenging, neither a faceroll, nor elitist demanding flawless performance form every single player. Neither extreme is fun.
Are the shorter phases in the room with us cuz this phase has been forever.
I will say though that the Classic player is a new breed of gamer. And not in a good way.
You think this is a different playerbase than 2019? 
That’s who the Anniversary project was aimed for since the beginning…
And judging by your icon, you’re not a TBC Terry either…
Not if you’re willing to play Post-Cataclysm WoW.
Because if you were a true TBC enthusiast, you would have been vocal like I was when Wrath came to an end…
I didn’t see you on the picket line desperately trying to keep TBC-Classic alive; which, was more in tune to what you were looking for.
You think elite .1% raiders only play 2-4 hours a week?
Yes, even you know that
You had the original classic group and the post sod era
Some people are still around but the base is wildly different
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It definitely isn’t
Just people have less time than they did during COVID
That has nothing to do with the playerbases being different
You didn’t see me on the picket line because i did not see you either.
All of these people pay a 30 day sub. You call this destroying TBC and why people fell in love with it? Never have i heard anybody say difficulty is what they LOVED about the expansion, not even a passing mention. It’s always the content we enjoyed not stupidly overtuned damage in favour of raid bosses
i don’t suppose people fell in love with the raid logging & constant hard reserves on DST.
Surely that isn’t the reason why people enjoyed TBC so much, there was and is other content to do, and many people have alts.
Or the fact that back then you could just spawn in at level 58 and jump straight into outland.
Classic content was still viable content in TBC when people weren’t buying boosts.
The community was also a community and not some rabble of softies getting hand out’s free epics you had to run raids for.
Blizzard killed the community; it killed the fun and it’s killing Classic wow with paid boosts and player hand outs.
I give it a few years at most before players realize they will never truly get an authentic classic wow experience, Blizzards just making profits from nostalgia and hype while they can.
But when classic nostalgia and hype dry up, and “CLASSIC +” doesn’t provide enough like SOD didn’t, Retail won’t save WoW.
If Blizzard really wanted to provide an unmonetized, authentic version of classic WoW, they would release fresh server’s, no character swaps or race changes, no boosts and add real Game masters, to keep an eye on the Bots and environment/health of the game.
Not some automated crap
Trust me, i was there in 2004
Any of the regulars on the forums will tell you otherwise…
If it looked like I wasn’t directly after Wrath ended, it’s because I was given a 6-month vacation over it leading up to Cata-Classic.
Wrong.
It killed and kills all communities by not providing stabilization; that is, only provide it for pet demographics and specific target audiences.
By stabilization, I mean standalone permanent projects.
You know very well that this TBC cycle is on a sped-up timeline and want to blame the target audience because they want to play and adapt according to that timeline.
Or…
What…
You think they released this Anniversary…
For you…
Demographically?
You don’t bring in the money the Retailers do Classic Andy.
Can any regulars on the forums tell me otherwise?
Considering I’ve kept the same name since the old forums…
And until I saw your topics recently being the first time I’ve ever seen you around here…
But let me make your life easier and allow me to throw you a bone…
That druid Zy used to throw his Wall of No at me in the old forums…
Really irritated me when they opened with “for your special”.
I’ll give Zy credit…
He advocated for no legacy with stalwartness.