People say they will start fresh then go Mage Boost themselves to level 60 in two days.
So Fresh.
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Why would anyone want to re-level 1-60? Thereâs nothing new to experience outside the blood elf and draenei starting zones.
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This is a stupid idea and is not going to happen.
Because some of us play games for fun.
I think there will be both types of TBC servers. They will have some fresh start servers and some transfer servers. There is no reason not to have fresh start servers as an option.
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They will have both fresh and transfer over servers. It would be foolish to only do one.
Agree.
The ratio is likely determined by their accounting/actuaries as well as that survey Blizzard sent about TBC.
I would guess 75% servers do NOT allow gear/gold into TBC.
Yeah Iâm interested in BC but after seeing how terrible classic ended up with screwed up economies, I wonât play BC at all unless itâs fresh servers with no chance of transfering. Also, we need to see some serious preventative action done about botting or its just DOA IMO
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Thatâs fine if itâs an option.
But in TBC, Iâm rolling a blood elf paladin and draenei shaman already, as I did the first time.
If they MAKE ME re-roll my original 60s then Iâll just un-sub.
I already have to level 1-60 again TWICE. Before even starting the expansion.
I will NOT do it again for my existing characters. That work is done. I deserve to keep them.
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The main problem with classic is the ability to use consumables to massively buff your status. This is 90% fixed in TBC, even with world buffs. Vanilla is nothing but a âconsumable paradiseâ
This has literally nothing to do with the thread.
Iâm fine with there being fresh start servers, but only fresh start? No. You can go play the fresh servers and start at level one. Thatâs your choice. And if Blizzard wants to keep high sub numbers from Classic I think they will have a mix of fresh BC and current Classic rolling over to BC. This is a money making scheme for them and to not allow those with current 60s to play them would ultimately lose Blizzard money.
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I agree with you 100%.
For me, I already have to start fresh twice. My 2 favorite classes are shaman and paladin. Currently in Classic I have one of each.
In TBC, I will make it so that I have one of both, on each faction server I play on.
I also have a 60 hunter on one side, mage on the other, for farming.
If I am forced to lose those 4 60s, then I just wonât play the game.
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Classic is 1.12. TBC will likely be 2.43. Neither of these experiences is actually the âlaunchâ experience, but a patch fairly deeply into the expansion that weâre starting with. It was cute looting rare gear with spell power in BRD and having like +200 healing before I stepped foot into Molten Core 2 weeks into Classic launch. In real Vanilla, this stuff wasnât in the game 2 weeks in.
Same idea. TBC will likely literally launch for us with most of the QoL changes we got in pretty deep-expansion patches.
For comparison, a private server I semi-recently played on did a 1x leveling experience in 2.43 and I hit level 26 on a Tauren druid in about 12 hours. Extrapolating the ridiculous leveling speed I could probably hit 58 or 60 in about 80-90 hours. Compare that to my ~220 hours on this Shaman in Classic WoW.
People would be 60 first week if they launch fresh TBC servers at 2.43. And I donât mean like the ridiculously crazy neckbeard NEETs that poop in a sock. I mean like anyone that takes the week off from work.
On the opposite side of the coin, half of my friends either didnât play Classic or didnât very far into Classic and are excited about TBC (a more enjoyable overall experience) but will only play if itâs fresh. They have no interest making a level 1 on a server with a bunch of Naxx geared 60s at gold cap who will be 70 with epic flying 48 hours after release, ganking people into the ground and easily farming all of the gathering nodes.
If Blizzard progresses the Classic servers they risk ostracizing potentially millions of players that would only play TBC if it was a fresh start. If Blizzard only releases fresh realms they risk ostracizing easily a hundred thousand of their hardest-core legacy fans by forcing them to essentially retire 60s theyâve poured a thousand hours into and starting all over at level 1.
The decision will be made by the bean counters. Whatever option looks to lose them the least number of possible subs is the one theyâll go with. But you make it sound like your ultimatum is the only one.
You lose your 60s, you say you wonât play.
You keep your 60s and all your gear, a lot of people also say they wonât play.
People tend to over-value the gear and effort from classic in TBC.
Of course there are still some bis items from classic, but, even if youâre just a joke dungeoneer in TBC, you can quickly outpace that.
Thereâs a few items here and there that you might not be able to beat, but you can come darn close.
I play both Horde and Alliance. I love them both. I want a Shaman and a Paladin on both sides.
And thatâs what Iâm going to have.
I donât ultimately care if they let people copy characters from Classic to start TBC at level 60 with their tens of thousands of gold and BiS items - as long as there are realms that are entirely fresh at launch.
Dare I say that the fresh realms will be wildly more popular than the âprogressionâ ones. At least at first.
I donât think so.
I really donât, my guy.
I would ask you to consider why you think that is the case, and why you think some majority of people would want that.
I donât say this to insult you, but really considerâŚwhy?
Why would that be that case?
Competition.
I have a 60 and a few characters scattered in the 40s. I can easily have my TBC main at 60 waiting for the launch night if character copies are the only way. Itâs not a big deal to me. But the people I play with think itâs a very big deal. Of the 9 or so buddies, both RL and virtual, that I play retail with and other games, only ONE of them played Classic with me. He has a 60 dwarf hunter and wants to go Horde for TBC. The rest of them either only played Classic to like the mid 20s or passed on it all together. The consensus is that they do not want to play TBC âso far behindâ. They know people have 10,000g sitting in their bags. They know people have BiS raid gear. They know that if they make a level 1 character on a TBC realm that it will be 2-3 weeks before they even hit level 60, but the 60s already on the realm with be 70 with epic flight in 2 days. No shot at realm-first or even realm-5ths. No shot at catching up in that economy. Youâre essentially stepping foot into TBC end-game content literally a month after the âprogressersâ and five figures of gold behind. Youâll never be competitive in PvE or PvP, why even bother?
I have characters to copy if need be. My friends donât, and wonât even try TBC if they canât start on the same footing as everyone else.
I donât think my network is some extremely rare outlier. I think itâs probably a common concern among people that didnât go as hard in Classic as perhaps you and I did.
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Well thatâs all fair.
But, I did the math on this.
If you did nothing but just quest through the TBC zones, youâd wind up with nearly 3/4 of a million gold, and gear better than a BWL raider.
In greens.
Edit: To exclude all dungeon, group, and elite quests. Just what you could do on your own.