Just wanted to vent from a tanks perspective. I have been raiding mythic forever now. Every tier my guild finishes the mythic content. And i am extremely frustrated that tanks have been doing less and less single target damage with every tier that passes, to the point that our raid leaders and officers dont even bother giving us loot anymore, because it feels like a waste. This leads to frustration from healers and tanks, because we also want to contribute with the raid damage. But doing half the damage of damage dealers is quite annoying. Why cant tanks and healers contribute more to the raid damage? Why cant we go back to the 70/80% of the damage from a pure dps spec from the old days? Its super annyoing, especially when we are doing solo world content. It takes forever to kill anything.
I can say that if you want more people to tank, this is definitely not the way to do it
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despite being a tank main, and wanting my tanks to have OP-ed dmg, I understand their logic. if the tank does too much dmg, which leads to dps’s frustration for their role’s purpose in a party/raid or even some untraditional gameplays with 2-3 tanks in one party/raid.
Tanks don’t have issue with solo world contents because tanks can pull entire zone and AoE them down, while dps have to kill 2-3 per pull (or even less if they are undergeared), and spend a bunch of gcds to keep themselves alive. Tanks also have competitive AoE, so farming world contents as a tank is not worse than a dps, imo.
im talking about single target damage here bud. not aoe farm. i know what you mean but its not what im talking about. im talking straight up single target damage. its crap for tanks. dps is holding 80/90k single target dps while tanks are steady at 30k. thats utter bs.
if i had to choose who gets a weapon and i have a guy doing 1/3 of another guys damage ofc i wouldnt give that wep to the tank either. this is what im talking about. they need to balance the dmg profile better. i always have that feeling of being a second class citizen when loot is being decided because if i get that loot ill be using it for 1/3 of its damage potential. its stupid
if they somehow think tanks dont care about dps they dont know their own game. everybody cares about damage. especially when you are not getting the loot because it feels like a waste.
again, im not talking about mythic plus aoe damage or aoe farm. im talking about single target damage. priority damage. this is crap for tanks and healers
Just to add more perspective to this.
The top damage on terros, one of the single target fights in the raid, is a rogue with 80k dps. the tank top dmg is a warrior with 38k. The top healer damage is 14k. I mean come on… i understand dps has to stand out in their role, but does it need this huge difference? To the point of tanks feeling bad for taking items over dps?
its creating major loot drama in the raid every time a tank or a healer gets an item over dps. And i dont blame them. Why would you ever give items to tanks and healers when this is going on
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Why would they? My job is to survive. If I have enough gear to do that, then progression goes faster when the dps have more gear. It’s always been that way. Any group that is serious about progression gears the tanks as little as possible beyond the bare minimum to survive the encounters.
Faster progression means more loot opportunities, so in the long term, it’s better for everyone to gear dps first, regardless of the differential between tank and dps damage.
If you’re pugging or doing M+, go get your loot, but in a raid you should want the gear going to dps first.
you just proved my point bud. this is exactly what im talking about. tanks only need enough gear to stay alive. you dont even think about their dmg. if you read my post carefully you will notice this is exactly my point.
now why would anyone think this is “fun”. doing damage is fun. everybody likes doing damage. i dont want to just have enough loot to stay alive. i want to contribute
you have thousands of posts complaining there are no tanks in the game. i am here telling you why. its boring as fk. we do no damage. allow tanks to do more damage and it will be fun. im not asking to outdps main spec dps. just not cool to be doing 1/3 or half their damage.
Warrior isn’t the top ST dmg, its ST dmg is at the bottom half of the pack. Tanks have outstanding AoE to keep threat, there is no legit reason for tanks to be OP-ed in ST dmg as well.
I am a main m+ tank, my dmg is the last one I care about after my survivability and mobs’ control. And I don’t want tank’s reputation get any worse with tanks who have the thinking of
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I been bdk main for 3 tiers. 2 of those my st was right up there with dps. It wasn’t healthy when I could beat dps because I had 100% uptime. Also made it hell for my ot to hold threat off me.
Currently brew and bear are the strongest st tanks but isn’t really what you need tanks for. They need to live.
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What? Are you high?
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T29_Raid.html
Warriors are ahead in ST damage by a LARGE margin. You dont even raid, you said it yourself. At least educate yourself before calling me out
Those logs are not quite right since there is a massive gear difference. Wait a month. Look at Sims for closer representation. Warrior only Shines in execute and every top guild has pwar.
Judging logs on first week but silly since over 10 ilvl difference between Warr and other tanks.
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If you don’t understand how high level play is done, don’t make threads about it.
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thanks for the laugh man. i needed one
This is just wrong lol. We have actual data not this garbage to off of
No, I didn’t. You just don’t understand group play.
Solo player mentality. Winning is fun. I don’t care what the damage meter says if the boss goes down. I would rather kill a boss with a raid full of people doing sub 50 parses than wipe to mechanics while people hump the meter for the highest damage.
If sacrificing some initial gear to the dps helps me kill bosses faster, than I don’t care what my individual damage looks like.
It’s different in M+ where tank damage is a significant part of meeting the bar for success, but in raids, get the dps geared so you can drop bosses and get even more gear.
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