Despite us seeing his soul being removed, and despite that soul being placed in a Death Knight later well after Wrathgate.
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You havenât seen or heard orcs then. Or the wrath of some soldiers when friends or family have been killed by a person. They would risk everything to kill someone. But donât focus on one statement in that block of text.
Rogues would have had a better plan, the small force of demo goblins from wc3 The suicidal goblins⊠So many other options. This is the least believable thing since ⊠Garrosh went back in time.
yes, the part of arthas killing him in the cinematic was retconned, as for him showing up later, chronicles just says that his body is missing after the battle
I like Taliesin and Evitel. I really enjoyed watching their videos during Legion. And I donât begrudge them enjoying BfA. But I just canât stomach their sunny positivity at seeing the Horde story spiral further and further down the tubes. They play both sides, and even though they admit to leaning toward they Alliance, they normally do pretty well at giving the Horde a fair shake. But Taliesin in particular just clearly loves Jaina, Genn, and Anduin so much that nothing on the Horde side of the story is going to shake his happiness. Heâs pretty clearly fully on-board with the Saurfang rebellion and thinks that fixes everything.
So, since the start of BfA, Iâve only been able to bear to watch about 1/4 of T&Eâs videos. When I do watch, though, itâs nice to have a dose of positivity.
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while i like that that they are somehow biased towards the alliance sometimes the dude scares me with that permanent psycho smile.
really uncomfortable to watch.
so,sometimes is hard to take them seriously.
i just consider them overly optimistic
other than that, they made the blizzcon prediction that bfa will end with the alliance being too weak and telling the horde that they are the only ones who can save the world from nâzoth (and also that gilneas would become the new forsaken capital). granted that prediction didnât come true, but my point is they arenât purposely trying to put the horde down with their theories and do come up with theories that is good for horde but bad for alliance
im sorry if i could not describe what im trying to say good enough
Oh, I agree. I donât think they hold any malice toward the Horde or Horde players, and I appreciate that fact about them. I think they enjoy the Horde well enough; they just like the Alliance better. That means that they donât really care very much if things are bad on the Horde side, as long as the Alliance story is good.
Itâs like ⊠say you love food, but your favorite thing in the whole world is chocolate ice cream. If you got a gourmet meal where every course was simply amazing, with chocolate ice cream for dessert, youâd be in heaven. But if you have a meal where the steak is burned, but you get chocolate ice cream afterward, you would still consider it to be a pretty good meal. But if you go on YouTube and say it was a pretty good meal, someone else who ate at the same banquet but has steak as their favorite food may find that hard to listen to.
I kinda feel like thatâs an oversight, given how much lore there is supporting him dying to Arthas. Chronicle has more than one oopsies.
i understand that makes sense. im sorry, i feel like that the ending will be horrible for one of the factions, i hope its not mine, but i also dont want to see the horde get stuck with a bad ending that is not satisfying. im just kinda hoping they pull something off to give both playerbases as close to a satisfying conclusion we can get.
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Personally, I donât think it comes down to ânot knowing how to write X factionâ or anything similar, itâs that the playerbases of the Horde and Alliance are different and that particularly for the Horde there is a split amongst the players themselves what kind of Horde they want to be.
Some Horde want to be the Empire in Star Wars (note cheers at Blizzcon on Teldrassil burning) and others want to be the honorable monsters who fight to the death and donât resort to dishonorable tactics. Death is better than dishonor.
And on the Alliance specifically, idk how many actually want anything except full on lawful good all the time. Even with the Night Elves in 8.1, they arenât attacking civilians. A good chunk of the Horde players approve of the Teldrassil burning. Iâd be shocked if anything more than a tiny minority of Alliance players would support burning down Thunder Bluff. Just look at how many are upset over the Alliance torturing the Vulpera (which they still do even after the change iirc. At least on the Horde quests)
So I think Blizz panders their writing to the different playerbases. Horde gets actions that 1/2 the players will disagree with. Alliance gets united lawful good 24/7 in game basically. Certainly never lasts when they do get divisions.
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You sir dont get enough credit, and your point is seemingly being ignored even though itâs the one that make the most logical sense.
Evrione wants to point out aspects of her charicter that support their narrative but not how it conflicts with it or the situation.
Iâm going to take Nobbels approach and wait for an official Blizz statement before jumping on the bandwagon.
You should check the very first comment on the Nobbel video where someone brings up the potential fault in his reasoning, and he actually now agrees with Taliesin that its possible.
I stick with his theory but that is only because I thought of it first and he seems to have sided with me. Me and my lore friend talked about the topic a day or two before his video was uploaded and when I watched his video I laughed at how him and I used all of the exact same points when defending Blizzardâs lore. If you donât believe me and think Iâm just a fanboy I can provide proof any everything.
Oh its definetly possible.
Just how likely is it?
I mean this is all speculation until its confirmed by Blizz in game our out.
And my argument is that it makes more sense for Verimathras to be the architect of the Wrathgate incident because he has much more to gain.
Also to blaim Sylvanus for it makes evrione else involved incompetent including Sylvanus.
Honestly not sure what he had to gain bringing the full might of the Horde and Alliance down upon his head. You could argue that he was attempting to frame Sylvanas, but if thatâs the case he did a piss poor job of it. Also, its equally plausible with her plan to kill herself after she struck down Arthas that she didnât care what the consequences were. She was enemies with the Alliance and was never loyal to the Horde by that point (if at any point tbh). She also did not care what happened to the Forsaken after she died, until after she reached Hell.
I get it she was suicidal.
But she would have to be 1000% sure that plague would kill him otherwise you screwed yourself and now you made your vengeance even harder to achieve because your fighting off both Horde and Alliance, while trying to kill Arthas. Not to mention she wants to watch him suffer so why would she order it and not be there to finish him off?
Verimathras had a 3 birds one stone scenario, with possibility of bonuses.
Kill Allience, Horde and get a shot at killing Arthas whoâs also an enemy of the legion might I remind you. That includes futher fracturing any relations between Horde an Allience and possibly doubly weakening the Horde by adding suspicion to the Forsaken and forcing troop occupation.
Verimathras would have been stupid to not attack at the wrathgate.
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Okay? Iâm not sure how this follows from my chocolate ice cream post. Maybe you responded to the wrong post?
remember though, she canât be an idiot. She is some type of tactical geniusâŠ
Sorry I canât⊠end /s
She is a moron.
Yea no this butchers Sylvanas entrire ark no matter how much you play around it. It also diminishes Putress into just a puppet. Hopefully it doesnât go through.
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I donât know if it was originally written that way but I do believe that the rewrite is good and makes sense. Doesnât contradict.
They work with the lore available and maybe just decided there was a better way to reinterpret this story.