Oh boy and here we go with downplaying the parts of the Horde you don’t like to ridiculous degrees just to put the parts you think should be the only part of the Horde ever on a pedestal out of petty spite for parts of Horde you dislike lol
So you have a canon source that says that there were only ever four battles in all the thousands of years that you’re talking about? You were there? You know every little detail? You know the exact dates and times that these four battles happened and know for a fact that nothing ever happened at all in the slightest between them? Or are you just blowing smoke to push “lelelelel sylbanana dum elf orc best”
But wait, wouldn’t thousands of years of fighting an enemy as ruthless and bloodthirsty as the Amani mean that she’s had, oh I don’t know… thousands of years of experience in war and fighting? Much more than Saurfang or Eitrigg? Shocking, right?
Except for, you know, pretty much consolidating all of the Northern Eastern Kingdoms that wasn’t inhabited by the Argent Crusade under the Horde’s grasp during the Cataclysm with minimal help from the Kalimdor Horde, who only sent drunk and incompetent sailors as “aid”, while managing to counter foes as cunning and vicious as Ivar Bloodfang and Darius Crowley, winning Silverpine and Gilneas from them by still managing to turn the tables after the Worgen executed their own well-crafted plans of turning the Hillsbrad humans into Worgen so they couldn’t be raised and leading elite Forsaken forces into traps like the ambush at the mines by taking advantage of Crowley’s love for his daughter to divide the Worgen forces into a much more manageable enemy after Ivar abandoned Crowley after the latter agreed to withdraw from Gilneas in exchange for his daughter’s life.
Let’s also conveniently ignore the more recent time in A Good War when Saurfang couldn’t even see a way to defeat the Alliance without Sylvanas leading him along the way of planning it out to the point that he was actually physically shaken when he finally realized what could be done.
“Then explain this ‘opportunity,’ Warchief,” he said. “Because I do not see it.”
“Yes, you do. You already said it,” she said. “Why is it impossible to invade Stormwind today?”
“We don’t have enough ships.” Saurfang looked at her suspiciously as he worked through the implications. How is that an opportunity? “We can commit our ships to transport or to war, but not to both—”
The answer slammed into him with such force that he literally staggered. His knees buckled, and he caught himself against the table with both arms. After a moment, he looked up at Sylvanas again, the blood draining from his face.
She had led him to a truth he had not seen, and it felt as if the entire world had changed. Only seconds ago, he had known to the very core of his being that war was impossible.
Saurfang is a capable warrior of course, but to imply that Sylvanas is some fledgling novice of war compared to him, as you have done, is laughably stupid. So I guess I’m not really surprised in the slightest.
Or because it was convenient and would assure a Forsaken victory much easier than bowing down to the whims of honorbound idiots who didn’t care about her or her people in the slightest while living an ocean away. Victory was more important than Orcish feelings over the Blight, plain and simple.
Geez, it’s almost as if BtS is a butchery of over 14 years of Forsaken lore whose sole purpose is to make people hate Sylvanas just because Blizz wants to push her into the role of being the big bad and slapping everyone who likes anything other than the Alliance in the face for apparently enjoying the wrong parts of the game since Vanilla.
What am I saying, you don’t care about that. You’re happy for it since you can use it to keep trying to push down the parts of the Horde that you don’t like because they don’t screech about honor and bow to the Alliance all the time. You probably want Calia as the leader of the Forsaken too, accompanied with a compelete 180 on everything that made them who they were across Vanilla, Cata, and even now in BfA just to spite the other part of the Horde fanbase.
Just go play Alliance already.