So, I just actually paid attention to the Undead classic intro. Back then, 15 years ago it blatantly states their objectives as a race.
She has indeed been planning this for quite a long time…
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… what?
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This group fights a constant battle. Not only to retain it’s freedom from the Scourge, but also, to slaughter those who would hunt them as monsters.
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Her original character was that the forsaken being members of the Horde was nothing more than an Alliance of convenience. They never truly cared about the Horde, and they were meant as a foil to the Kalimdor races much like the night elves were supposed to be.
That’s why it’s so stupid for Sylvanas to be the Warchief of a Horde that she barely wants anything to do with, and it’s even worse that she runs around yelling “FOR THE HORDE!” because the writing team wants to trick us (sorry, “subvert our expectations”) into thinking that she’s here to stay.
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I still think her grand plan is to using power she will steal from nzoth and some convoluted ritual which will require her enimies that she will possess the world soul of azeroth.
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This was at the very beginning of the relationship between the Forsaken and the other Horde races. The Forsaken were not exactly keen on trusting others (for very obvious reasons).
The Forsaken and Horde have grown closer over the years, to the point that Sylvannas was even able to become Warchief. It’s only with the bad writing of BfA that we’re suddenly back to square one with Baine and Saurfang and Thrall murdering Forsaken left and right.
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The problem with this is, from what we’ve seen most of the Horde’s so married to just the idea of unquestioningly obeying a Warchief that they’d probably follow a stuffed and mounted pigeon as long as the previous Warchief is the one who selects it. A new Warchief’s identity seems to play little to no part in their acceptance at the time they’re named.
Sylvanas isn’t accepted as Warchief because anyone trusts her, likes her, or even respects her; it’s just because she was appointed by Vol’jin, the prior Warchief. Frankly if he’d named a random quillboar nobody ever heard of before, there would have probably been a line of Horde forming up outside Razorfen Downs waiting to swear the blood oath.
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Blizzard does not strike me as good at establishing nuanced societal reactions. It makes sense, to some degree, why they would want to respect the position, as the Orcs had been likely raised to do so. However, there should have been more objection, as the Forsaken aren’t fully trusted. When it came to BFA, it becomes clear the Horde only starts to dissent when the Warchief downright becomes villainous. Also known as when the writers find it convenient for their plot ideas. I don’t think it is even properly stated in game why the Horde hasn’t gotten rid of her considering most of the leadership was clearly despising her, especially after Baine’s arrest.
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The Blood Elves outside the Farstriders are mostly still bitter about Jaina’s purge of the Sunreavers.
The Green Orcs are split between a leader who wants them to proceed cautiously and one who is likely planning on joining Saurfang’s rebellion.
The Mag’har are obsessed with loyalty and seem ignorant of the Horde turning on Garrosh and thus don’t realize that Sylvanas’s position is illegitimate anyways and thus serve her.
The Tauren that wanted vengeance against the Alliance started finding themselves exiled by Baine, started shutting up in order to avoid banishment and likely are quite willing to serve Sylvanas for the sake of their vengeance!
The Trolls are having unrest though are low in number.
The Shatterspear want the Alliance to burn.
The Zandalari seem to be confused by what’s going on.
The Nightborne have joined Saurfang’s rebellion it seems.
Gallywix has shown guilt over Sylvanas’s path of destruction and is clearly suffering from an inferiority complex.
The Sylvanas loyalists are likely going to be the Blood Elves wanting to avenge the Purge of Dalaran, Tauren still bitter over Taurajo & being banished by Baine over it, the Forsaken who don’t know better and the Mag’har who are ignorant of the Horde’s illegitimacy.
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I do find it almost funny how the horde harps on and on as bout the purge which apparently tesulted in only a few desths and a short lock up and camp taco which had to hsave a population of what 100 in lore and were allowed to run. Like these are genocides or using sone new unknown weapon in as dishonrable way.
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that is because blizzard doesn’t really give horde players the same motivations that they do with alliance players.
We get justifications for literally anything so even the slightest thing that makes the alliance looks “bad” in some way it’s grabbed like the last coke. i think that you will have to forgive horde players there for trying to get motivated to not feel like villains.
that is why minor things like taur taco and the purge are so often mentioned, because that is all what they have.
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True enough and the list of horde evil just hoes on and on really kind of sad
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It wouldn’t have made much sense if it was anything more than an “alliance of convenience” at the time. It would have been really awkward if all of a sudden the horde and forsaken were best buds with deep bonds of loyalty.
Unless the intentional goal was to phase out the Warchief role by making it more of a joke than it is, this whole thing has been an exercise in failed writing.
Undead was added to Horde to get the 4 WC3 races playable. Night Elves still don’t even have any lore about joining the Alliance, to put it into perspective. This whole alliance of convenience thing was a writing excuse that some would argue never even made sense.
Putting her into the spotlight as Warchief, rather than highlight issues surrounding the conflict with other races and dealing with the issue naturally, just exacerbated the problems we already had by forcing the Horde to follow someone who shouldn’t even be there.
At this point I couldn’t care less if they just retconned the Warchief back to Thrall like the Simpsons episode where the dog died and they got another that was the same, so it was like it never happened and we can forget about it.
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If I was a Champion of Azeroth (a player character in WoW) :
If some one cut off my pinky, they would be lucky if I only cut off their arm.
If someone killed my family, I would capture them, and force them to watch me kill every person who shares their blood in the MU and in every AU I could travel to.
There is a difference between justice and revenge. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
The death of one person I care about means more to me than thousands of people you care about. It is not even comparable. That is how things tend to be in a Faction based world.
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Because of bad writing…
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Taco’s for everyone!! ![:taco:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/taco.png?v=6" ":taco:")
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Not surprised it is you saying that honestly i would love to see you apply this irl i wonder how high your body count would get for any give slight.
I suppose your reading comprehension is a bit off. You must have missed where I said:
Or you can not comprehend simple English.
You want to me to act IRL the way I said I would act in a WoW reality … I guess I would like to see that too. Would I have Warlock powers? That could be fun.
And more efficient!
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If they actually wrote that into the story, everyone would be dead in a few weeks. You can decide you will never lose a game of chicken. And you will be undefeated, right up to the point that you earn a tie.