Legit, I want this for nearly the whole story. They have played out Warcraft so badly, this would be a way to reset nearly everything. There is an alternate Draenor, why not an alternate Azeroth? You could do crazy stuff like Arthas never took up Frostmourne and married Jaina. When we show up they are fighting off these weird lightforged spacegoat zealots lead by a fanatic named Yrel.
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Itâs just that they ratchet up virtue to the point where villains canât be villains anymore. A successful leader has to be sacrificial, devoted, humble, and faithful.
Thereâs nothing thought provoking at all.
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And died by his own choice no one elseâs but the writers
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Youâre going to have to pick which side of this argument youâre on.
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You need to read the whole post. Being virtuous for the sake of virtue does not make a great leader, or that making him a Loa makes any of his past decisions any better.
Volâjin is still a terrible leader and will make an even worse Loa of Kings.
Every âvillainâ needs redemption. Every âvillainâ isnât evil, just misunderstood.
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Yeah, pretty much.
Ah, someone else who just doesnât like the characters and doesnât know the lore or how storylines work. Got it. 
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Least I didnât get disenchanted to death!
Point, Rakham.
Edit: Also youâre half right. Iâll let you guess which half.
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He was probably playing a home movie (i.e., what he wanted not necessarily what players wanted.)
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Sylvanas is a good character. Itâs just that BFA massively mishandled the character (because Afraisabi wanted to do something big and cool but had no idea where it was going, in the same vein as whatever those directors did to the end of a game of thrones) and shadowlands was continuing a story that Afraisabi started because it would be impossible to retcon an entire expansion.
The soul fragment wasnât new and I think theyâre doing the best they can to address a character who was really done dirty by somebody who didnât value the themes or the arc of the character in the first place.
Presenting her as a villain since cataclysm (who-- just as a reminder, Genn caused most of those people who invaded to be undead in the first place because he built that wall) made no sense considering the forsaken were always in a precarious position and on the cusp of annihilation as the last of the ex-scourge.
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Sylvanas is the greatest thing to happen to WoW since Arthas became the Lich King.
Dark Lady watch over you.
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There has been a lot of focus on Sylvanas, yet her character has barely been built up from where she started at the very beginning. She was already a âsassyâ character when she got her body back the first time. Itâs been nothing but a retelling of her story again.
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I thought this too for the longest time but her conversations with anduin and her soul restoration really have progressed the arc of the character significantly. In spoilered cut scenes she even gives herself over to Tyrande which is a thing she would ordinarily never do.
Sheâs no longer a character existing merely for the sake of survival-- arthas is gone and this is the first time she can have an unclouded ability to reflect on that .
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Your right, there is something there. Yet she did toss herself off of Icecrown after Arthas was destroyed. Throwing herself to the wolves after she has completed her purpose isnât completely out of her character either. She rather die then live as a monster. Thatâs already been told. Then she came back âso scared of what she saw she had to do everything to liveâ.
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If Sylvanas ruined WoW, I think she had a lot of help.
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I honestly like that sheâs forced to live and reflect on her actions and focus on doing some good in Azeroth rather than killing her and being done with it because I think thatâs the easy way out.
I get that the people who are tired of her donât want her at the center of the narrative anymore, and I sort of agree-- but I do want her around in the background or as a supporting character. Maybe she can be a main player in 2 or so expansions but this was her expansion and I think she got to have some unaddressed things addressed.
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I refuse to dignify that wench with a demise as honorable as Steve Bescemi.
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Sylvanas is a fine character, she always has been. It wouldnât be bad to have her around for the future. I am only tired of how the story was told. It has been slow and somewhat unsatisfying journey. The mystery of it all for 5 years was a bit much. We will see where it leads us now though.
My hopes is that they donât have us defeat Zovaal too fast. He is also a cool character tbh. Wanna get back to Azeroth and fight the guy. Lol
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I think itâs a bit of a problem to set up a 5 year mystery when your have major leads in game devs having major disagreeances about where the mystery should go. So this is why I think itâs smart for them to tell you more up front and I hope they learn from this.
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Every single character in the story right now is complete garbage, or lacking any characterization at all. I cannot believe we went to a place of infinite afterlives, and spent the whole time running errands for Azerothian heroes.
Itâs amazing. Thereâs no one I like.
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