genn comitting an act of war
directly leading to bfa
and yet alliance olayers blame the hrode
course early bfa dstory supposedly had the assault on undercity before teldrassil and the whole jailer thing wasn’t a thing. This is because metzen was still storyboarding. The last thing he did was the intro to BFA and they took some of it and threw the rest away. Jailer wasn’t even a twinkle in metzen’s eye and was invented after. Not saying metzen is perfect or any other writer is doomed to fail. Metzen gave us green jesus in cata. But I think the original BFA concept would’ve been WAYYYY better.
Alliance paved the way for the war in legion, which was then followed through with an attack on undercity. Leading to an assault on Teldrassil to secure kalimdor from the horde as Sylvanas was concerned about an assault on ogrimmar from teldrassil especially after reeling from an assault on undercity which she destroyed rather than let the alliance take and (and thus have a clear path to quel’thalas).
The burning was not iinitally intended but done as a last ditch to secure the region after they started losing thanks to malfurion basically being a demi-god. Back when Sylvanas was a survivalist, and a expert military strategist. Back when she reacted proportionally to events rather than pro-actively. (They made her garrosh 2.0 for real). Before they had her be a simp for the most boring villian in warcraft history: nipple man. When she had her own agenda and tactics not just in service on some genocidal meglomaniac.
But shortly after metzen left they hatched the idea of shadowlands which didn’t HAVE to be bad. It had some good ideas and concepts but they put way too many eggs in the jailer basket when he was initially planned as this mysterious, unknowable shadow figure. Like maybe bliz should stick with their first/early draft because the more they refine it the more crappy it gets.
Sylvanas trying to break the machine of death makes sense. Sylvanas siding with Jailer? Makes no sense.
but they just HAD to villian bat her… ANOTHER horde leader
and don’t get me started on how the alliance were intended to be unwarrented in their kidnapped of the princess talanji but then they preformed “creative” writing gymnastics to justify it.
But sure kidnap the princess of a neutral third party just because they enterd in TALKS with a state you’ve gone to war with. Good way to make them join your enemy sooner and give you hell.
like imagine some bs like romulans klingons end up in a peace conference (this happened actually and is how klingons got stealth tech). And so naturally the federation decided to kidnap the daughter of the ruler of romulus just to show them what for. and then you get a klingon-romulan alliance and get deleted, no more federation.
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Sylvanas was evil the entire time
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Zandalari were enemy #2 to both Alliance AND Horde, do you just not remember the entirety of MoP? The REALLY stupid writing is that the Horde version of Kul’tiras Alliance side has you go to their literally biggest nemesis besides the Alliance itself and ask them to join you, THAT should’ve been the first indicator Sylvanas was coo coo.
No seriously, Zul attempted a global coup of both Alliance and HORDE, why would you remotely trust them as Allies? Especially knowing the fact that Zul was on the verge of destroying the entire empire for G’huun?
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They do the same thing with Garrosh.
Varian canonically started the war, and then during the ceasefire period retained the sanctions on the Horde leading to starvation, all while making outrageous and unprecedented extradition demands.
And yet Garrosh is the “bad guy.”
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Have you seen Talanji’s hat?
That hat screams Queen! Sylvie even lets Talanji team up without bowing down, because Queen recognizes Queen.
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Yes because he betrayed every non-Orc in the Horde. Him being a bad guy has nothing to do with the Alliance one way or the other
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You sure? Genn broke the truce during Legion and prevented the Dark Lady from getting something to help her and the Forsaken.
I do wonder though if Genn had not done that if the artifact would of kept her from going bonkers and sending people to the Jailer since she is mind controlled by the Jailer at this point.
Not to mention Vol’jin himself heard whispers to make her Warchief… Jailer was already on the move and we had no idea.
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Pretty sure a massive plot point within Shadowlands is that she was never mind controlled at all, she was just an idiot
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First of all, are you having a stroke? Do I need to call someone?
Second, the Horde can be easily blamed for every single conflict since BFA and before. This entire post is just you huffing the copium.
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What are you talking about? The other races betrayed him. Kicking non-Orcs out of the Horde was a response to repeated insubordination, subversion and treason.
Vol’jin:
-Threatened to kill Garrosh right off the bat
-Ignored his advisory duties
-Participated in subversive meetings aimed at undermining the Warchief
-Appointed himself as an illegal check on Garrosh’s power.
Baine:
-Participated in subversive meetings aimed at undermining the Warchief
-Shared military intelligence with the Alliance
-Participated in an armed rebellion
Lor’themar:
-Disobeyed direct orders
-Attempted to leave the Horde and join the Alliance
-Participated in an armed rebellion
Gallywix:
-Disobeyed direct orders
-Repeated attempts from his men at graft and corruption
-Attempted to withhold key material from the war effort.
Sylvanas:
-Disobeyed direct orders
-Murder of Kor’kron
-Participation in an armed rebellion
Garrosh only kicks the non-Orcs out after these things happen.
When a tumor grows in the heart of your leadership, you excise the tumor.
She’s been in league with him since she killed herself and Val’kyr raised her way back iin Wrath.
The incident with the lantern was irrelevant. She was still going to do the Jailer’s bidding.
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Sorry, she might of said that, I mean you would say that if you were under mind control so thinking the way you do makes no sense what so ever to me.
Cultists never think they are wrong, even when presented with facts, that’s why “De-programming” became a thing in the 1970’s with Ted Patrick and the cult the NRM
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Garrosh being a warmongering idiot who invited all of the hate he got from his actions and made zero attempt to reconcile any of them
Legitimately the closest thing to an apology he ever made for an objectively bad thing he did was telling Magatha Grimtotem to get bent after she tried to get help from him during I think it was a Twilight Cult attack? And he wasn’t even upset that he killed Cairne, only that it was done from his weapon being poisoned
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Not from out of the world lore though. that was made up halfway into bfa development. Jailer didn’t exist as a concept in wrath. it was a retcon.\
I am talking doyal here not watsonian.
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Just sounds like Grade A cope for a terribly written character to me
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