but why SYLVANAS specifically? if death is all you want Calia and Bolvar both endorse death culture as well as forsaken/death knight scourge dignity, Bwonsamdi is a literal god OF death, Yogg-saron like Bwonsamdi and several other troll Loa gods is a powerful entity representing and personifying death as a concept etc. why not any of them, or even the jailer whom Sylvanas answers to cutting out the middle man?
I wish my character could give Sylvanas a Stone Cold Stunner.
Please do not confuse that what I was stating was what people should believe. It is just a plausible representation of why people would be sympathetic to Sylvanas.
You said 2 was against the Horde and no, thats not true. The Horde were fighting on Ashenvale since the trolls and orca landed there.
fighting for wood and resources, not with intent to genocide or purposefully kill elves, they were farming wood and the Night elves as a people just happened to take offense to it. what would have happened if the orcs had just asked? we’ve seen night elves/faun centaurs replenish freshly cut down trees before (quite recently in Mechagon in fact). the orcs are no longer killing machine brutes, the tauren have always been a “bloodshed as a means to an end” people for the most part (excluding the blood totem), etc. The goblins would probably do it if some one told them Night elf teeth were worth their weight in gold, but that’s about it other than the blood totem or Vulpera taking the tree and the island for land/power.
If anything, the Nelves were more likely at one time to exterminate the Orcs for cutting their trees.
Regardless, Sylvanas nor the Horde is not guilty of genocide in the war of thorns. That term is thrown around too loosely.
Genocide is what the orcs did in Stormwind or Draenor or what Sylvanas did in Lordaeron and Gilneas.
The War of Thorns, I think, did involve war and razing a city and aim to oust population but not systemized extermination.
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people in whole or in part
sylvanas in the very least is guilty of genocide, as she INTENTIONALLY commanded the horde orcs and goblins to fire upon the world tree knowing the elf civilians were still in there, knowing their souls would empower her through the broken death machine sending them all to the unimaginable torment that is the maw instead of more pleasant realms, etc. there’s even a cutscene with sylvanas’ exact words on the matter from her own mouth as she taunts a Night elf moon-guard about it. the horde maybe not, which is my point, they were DUPED. very few members of each core horde race would have intentionally burned Teldrassil (short of the goblins) without a provided ulterior secondary motive, even the forsaken have some feelings as formerly living beings as shown by the Forsaken’s enjoyment of the gathering.
Auto correct is annoying on my phone lol
What is the definition of Genocide in a world where an afterlife is a confirmed thing? That where death is known without a shadow of doubt to not be death but simply packing your bags and moving to a new realm of existence? Is it really killing them if they still live on?
I know the goal was to be inflammatory but whatevs. For the Dark Lady, always and forever my good man.
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I play the Sith Empire almost exclusively. But, here’s the thing, in SWTOR my character is allowed to make his own moral choices. For those of us who prefer the ‘Noble Savage’ Horde, BfA has been no fun at all.
Also, Blizzard’s writing in general has been so bad that it’s a wonder any player is loyal to anything. Why be loyal to the Alliance if I have to follow leaders that are blithering morons? Why be loyal to the Horde if I have no choice but to be cast as a cartoon villain?
I am pretty much ambivalent towards all the NPC’s now. No point in blaming the character in a story for the terrible writing. My sympathies are with us players who were forced to go on this nauseating ride.
There are good ways to write a ‘War Story’ and conflict within a faction. BfA is not it.
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That’s my favorite part
Sylvanas in WC3: “I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE, You’ll never guess that the solution to the magic circle puzzle is one, two three!!” *Gah! Powerstabs *
Classic: The undead are a untrustworthy tribe, bound by convenience with their intentions questioned by the horde And the Scarlet Crusade rejecting them.
TBC: “Silence”
Sylvanas in WoTLK: Shoots arthas once, immediately gets slapped and runs away like a little girl while Jainman Throttles Arthas with frosted ice magic.
Cata: Dies to Level 19 farmer with shotgun.
Mop: zzzz.
WoD: zzzzz.
Legion: Agrees to fight side by Side with Varian, after he asks why he can trust her, lies to him and then immediately bails out and runs away.
Anduin: walks up to get his face punched by a doormat.
The story is still silly though imo.
Wouldn’t that be such a fitting and hilarious ending to Sylvanas if Blizzard had the balls to actually kill her off in Shadowlands? Both the Horde and Alliance team up in a raid to fight her, she pulls out some new form of magic and is about to land the killing blow on us and then out of nowhere Godfrey appears and blows her away with a shotgun and saves everyone.
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Meh. few problems with killing her off.
- We are quickly running out of lore characters some need to be saved.
2… Getting a bit boring having the alliance get to kill horde leaders or former leaders. Then getting to rub it in the horde face.
- They promised this wouldn’t be another Garrosh situation, and that would be a huge lie if they kill her off or turn her into a raid boss.
I think Rose is half loyal. She was totally on board with Sylv up until Baine started speaking up. Lorthemar even speaking up against her at one point nudged her to the rebellion side.
I used to enjoy the idea of siding with Sylvie back when we were fighting a war for the Horde’s survival, but now that the writing team decided to make her a mustache twirling villain who plays 16D chess, the whole loyalist thing lost its appeal.
I mean, looks like the Horde is not even starved for resources anymore. Maybe a bunch of mages just decided to conjure enough supplies to support a nation or something.
At the end of the day, there is no point in fighting the alliance if we are not struggling to survive in the desert, right?
yes, because the definition of “kill” does not change, and unless the term “genocide” means something completely different in elvish tongue that’s what sylvanas did, she purposefully tried to kill off a whole race in part or in whole, you also seem to conveniently ignore the fact that while those elves may still “exist” as souls they exist in a tortured existence, just because they still “exist” doesn’t make sylvanas’ actions any less heinous, if anything they make them more so for the fact that she knew the fate of her victims in this life AND the next.
Well, something has to be done about her. She can’t keep flying away whenever she is cornered and being the main draw of every expansion from here on out, People are already sick of her as it is. Blizzard has to either kill her or lock her up somehow come Shadowlands because her character and motives are starting to be less “Morally grey” and more spoiled brat with a chip on her shoulder.
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My point is why be loyal to anyone who publicly dismisses your faction as “nothing”, and then retreats after?
I used to feel bad for Sylvanas given her fate at the hands of Arthas, but she does have free will. Openingly, and essentially, admitting her forces are worthless is a hard blow for any follower to hear, let alone remain loyal too.
Dwarves are usually smarter.
We are loyal to her, to death and beyond, we are her instruments. The End.
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As a person, are you loyal to your leaders? If yes, why? Do you think they’d give a Rat’s a** for your well-being just because they say so?
She dismissed a faction of cowards and traitors, nothing of value was lost.
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