Yeah I’m not one of those new star wars haters or anything, they just aren’t really for me. Fell asleep in the theater twice last one I tried, did enjoy the space battle in rogue one but couldn’t watch that in its entirety either. Without Harrison Ford there is no Han Solo, imo. The original three are more than enough for me, that’s three whole movies, and I’ve probably seen them at least a combined 100 times so maybe I’m permanently burnt out on SW? Used to play SWTOR for awhile but came back to this just cause this always has the most polish.
If there was ANY amount of foreshadowing which would have supported this, you could have argued that point. But since it was pretty much pulled out of nowhere, this is better explained as “New Powers as the Plot Demands”.
“Villain Sue” is definitely the more accurate trope, but as an off-shoot of the “Mary Sue” archetype / umbrella trope (can probably cram in a few other sub-tropes in there for good measure)… yeah, people are defaulting to calling her a Mary Sue.
And to think, there was an EASY way to avoid this.
She just didn’t have to pull magic out of nowhere to kill Saurfang.
Having him succumb to poisoned blades after she fled would have probably been enough. Heck, having her cause a giant smoke cloud/bomb and escaping through the confusion it caused instead of flying away would have been enough.
Even on the planning side, they shouldn’t have kept everyone in the dark about what she was thinking of doing. It just comes across as random scheming with no payoff when the machinations are actually revealed… it feels like it was pulled out of their backside.
It COULD have been done well… but it wasn’t.
What people are quick to forget is that a “Mary Sue” character is poorly written by definition. Willing suspension of disbelief concerning the plot is broken, and all that’s left is disbelief at how badly done it is.
Done well, we have something called the “escapist character” instead. It’s very close to the same thing, only that the willing suspension of disbelief is not broken. Many player characters in video games actually qualify, particularly those where the player seems to be the only person doing anything.
But for Sylvanas… Blizz’ writing was never THAT great, but lately it has decided to jump off a cliff, and she’s at the focal point of everything wrong with the plot.
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Fair enough.
I’ve seen the originals so many times I got tired of them.
I like the new direction they’re going with 7-9 and I loved Rogue One.
It hurt in the feels department when literally everyone dies at the end lol
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Malfurion Sue, Jania Sue, Tyrande Sue, Anduin Sue, Thrall Sue, Baine Sue, everyone is a Sue now!
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Most tragic stories in this game are Sylvana’s and Arthas, as well as the three Windrunner sisters. I just don’t see Garrosh as being that in depth. But you are right, my opinion lol 
She can’t lose a fight huh? That must have not been her that lost to Malfurion at the start of BFA. I’m not a Sylvanas fanboi by any means but even I think this “Mary Sue and Villain Sue” is crap. It’s just something to throw out there when people don’t like a female character. Sylvanas has been losing through out her warcraft story. She can have some wins.
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If you are calling Sylvanas a mary sue you have to call both pre and post Arthas Lk a mary sue
Arthas LK was prepare for everything, every single miss-step work in his favor, Tirion gathering the greatest heroes of azeroth in northrend was his plan, everything that happen until Frostmourne being broken was planned or he was prepare to deal with it, Same goes for pre-arthas LK every single plan he had worked until Arthas put the Helm of Domination and kick his butt
If you wanna call Sylvanas a Mary sue go ahead but I hope you realize many other characters had the same “everything goes right for me until it doesn’t” story
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Hamstar Sue :o /hug
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I think you’ve never read high fantasy or dark fantasy, like ever lol.
Most fantasy series you never see the thinking behind the character (outside of the main) nor do you see the power increases characters get, again, outside of the main
I have one more.
Anduin is another tragic character that’s doomed to fail.
He’s literally trapped in the shadow of his father and has enemies all around him who try to push him one way or another.
It’s a common trope, but one that more often than not leads to failure.
I’m just saying I called it. This is when she got her powers, and before Blizzcon I knew. If that makes it simple in your eyes, I don’t care. In Edge of Night when she throws herself off ICC and dies, she made the pact.
In Cata with the new zones, she’s on a mission to take over Gilneas. She’s killing everyone where she didn’t act that way before. And when Godfrey killed her, she came back shaken. She isn’t upset or scared easily. Yes it is true that writers leave scraps for when they are ready for them, but it was noticeable to me when she changed.
I hope not, but I fear you are true. Esp with the datamined text of him having a shadow around him of uncertainty and doubt. I don’t want him to turn evil or anything though. So tired of faction leaders becoming evil lol
The big issue with Sylvanas is she has no flaws, and doesn’t suffer any consequences for her actions. Well, she has flaws, but they don’t serve any purpose. She just wins because she can and never loses, never suffers, never has to deal with anything. It’s boring.
She’s also playing 637d chess, which is boring when it goes on for so long. She has character, and I think her character is fine. But the thing is, it’s just boring and drawn out at this point that she suffers no consequences, and even less does she have character development. She’s just… there, doing things.
Overall, it’s not that she’s a Mary Sue or even a bad character, it’s that she’s being used in boring ways and it gets repetitive. It’s not the character that’s the problem, it’s what’s being done with her.
Personally, I think she’d be a much more interesting character if she actually had her flaws (anger management, following the shadow of Arthas, etc) be explored much more. They don’t need to change their plan, but they should change how it’s handled.
EDIT: I actually like Sylvanas, I just HATE her character arc and all that.
I hope not evil, more like the Lightbound chick in alternate Draenor, that or he’ll make a mistake so big that he’s deposed and has to earn his way back (think Simba).
Genn needs to go, Tyrande is another tragic one but of her own making, Malfurion should have left when Illidan did, the Dwarves need a retcon very very badly.
The only thing I disagree with is this idea of capturing and taking over the cities. That was never her intention, especially if she wanted mass death.
I think her flaws are there and is why she’s pretty much always alone and has to rely on herself. She’s incapable of connecting with anyone whether by choice or design. So no matter what her end actually is, she’ll end up alone. She’s torn between connecting to the world of the living, which is shown through the three sisters story, and the reality that she is undead and is an abomination that will never truly belong anywhere.
I think she wins because a lot of players forget who she is now and who she was pre-death. We’re talking about a ranger general that ultimately had to be killed by Arthas himself because she was just that damn good. She didn’t suddenly lose her skills because she died.
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I can’t wait for Tyrandes story line in the Night Fae area. And yes I don’t really like Genn, but I do appreciate that he’s trying to be like a Dad to Anduin.
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A very very angry, drunk dad who is stuck in a Vietnam flashback lol
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Sure, I bet there is some kind of Hamstar Sue on that list. Though I want to be the Sueist of the Sues. Call me Susana Susan Sue.
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Why is it every time a strong female character gets center stage she’s called a Mary Sue straight away, but male characters don’t suffer from that?
Crazy thinking…
It’s not a gender thing, but okay? It’s purely a character thing, and even then I only half agree with it.
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