Her only “ends” in this case is:
“OMG NO. I died and went to the Maw and it was awful! I am not going back there again unless I’m in charge of the place…hmmmm…that gives me an idea…”
I’m jealous. I wanted that title 
If she really wanted to never die again, she could go ala Thanos and just get a name change and hairdo and go retire to live in somewhere peaceful in pandaria where no one goes and then just dress up in enough layer of clothes to look like a mogul or a pandaren. it’s not like anyone would go to check in or know.
You’re gunna have to try alot harder, my guy.
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/salute On it sir!
I was clueless of her plans until seeing who she’s working with. It’s quite a bold move, she have only one shot at her opened opportunity.
That’s strange, I haven’t seen you rallying against Baine, since, you know, he seems more interested on kissing up to Alliance than caring about his own people’s interest, considering the whole banishing those that he didn’t like (and weren’t Grimtotems) and what not.
I like how the point that he “sacrified everything!” because he wanted to look good in the eyes of the girl he liked gets overlooked. But yes, he didn get his “redemption” but it wasn’t exactly well handled or a well crafted story, really.
If we could have seen at least a glimmer of the Sylvanas that showed emotion during the locket quest… just a little bit, it would have been handled much better.
Instead we got… this.
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I mean, this is literally how morally gray is written in fantasy.
The ends justifying the means.
Sacrifice a few to save a great many.
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I didn’t like Varian when he first came onto the scene. He was so angry all the time and macho so to speak and I was like ‘Who the F are you dude?’ and that’s why I didn’t like Garrosh either. But Varian started softening up a bit and thats when I liked his character. And Garrosh just kept on a going lol.
Remember: Varian didn’t raise Anduin. He’s just been alone by himself, he finally got his Dad back and he lost him too and he’s just trying to stay optimistic. I guess with the way my life has been no matter what I’m still optimistic, so it resonates :3
That’s because it takes an idiot to try to blame Baine for anything besides standing up for the ideals of the horde, against the clear plots of Sylvanas.
Some of us just aren’t as blind as the sylvanas sheep, and knew Sylvanas was up to no good long before anything else. 
Baine ain’t perfect, he’s had his issues, but he’s a farsight better in my eyes than Sylvanas, by a country mile and then some.
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Absolutely.
It’s about the bigger picture, the greater good.
People want to get hung up on the details which is where a lot of issues start
Actually, Baine is a coward.
You stand up for what you believe in and confront those you belive are doing wrong.
You don’t skulk behind their back and plot with others.
Cairne, Garrosh, Thrall, at least they had conviction.
Baine is just pathetic.
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Hey, if you want to ignore the ones he kicked out despite the fact that they were justified on their rage, that’s on you 
I’m just saying, that if you got issues with one selfish character, at least stick to it and have issues with all selfish characters.
Omg, I completely forgot about him.
I need to, at the very least, rewatch the movie.
TFW the hippie elf actually gets it… heh.
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That’s the kinda attitude I like!
Hey not a hippie lol.
Teldrassil needed to burn, it shouldn’t have been planted in the first place.
Tyrande is a rage monster.
Anduin is useless.
Baine is a coward.
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I’m legit speechles, I… I think I want to hug you.
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Alliance, 15 years.
Watching what the Alliance has become, the leaders we have.
It’s shameful.
The Alliance fanboys, the Tauren supporters of the Alliance, are an insult.
I mean, let’s be honest, almost every player is “morally grey”. I know I am. I obtain power for my benefit. I have killed hundreds of monsters, alliance, animals, sacked cities, raided towers, pillaged islands, all to gain power so that I could “defeat the next baddie.”
Am I any better?
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I don’t know about any of that. That’s an ethics question. And Chidi from “The Good Place” may disagree with you.
Lol love the reference but Chidi ultimately had no answer