Maybe she’s old and doesn’t care if you randos give her “redemption” or not. She’s still gonna do whatever.
The SL theme is uncannily accurate, as we are all truly in World of Warcraft HELL with this increasingly nauseating narrative.
There have been a few doozies and ‘coulda done betters’ in WoW’s writing along the way, but my Yogg there has never been anything so profoundly hurl inducing as to even remotely compare to this raging dumpster fire of a narrative we have now.
It is astounding to imagine the countless hours of hard work that the dev team has collectively invested into the present game for a story this unequivocally horrible.
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during the end of Warlords of Dreanor non of the datamined pointed out that Gromm Hellscream would get a lame A+ redemption and still that ending of WoD??? was not expected.
personally i think after that experience i fear they are repeating the same mistake.
that is why i don’t want Sylvanas to get a redemption, i want her to take it like a champ and pay for her crime.
Nothing gets Alliance players to post like a Sylvanas thread. They must really love her.
Garrosh was the best Horde leader they ever had. He was EXACTLY what you would expect if an orc was warchief.
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I’m going to reserve judgement until I see how the story unfolds. Sinless people by definition cannot be redeemed, and I’m hesitant to declare a hard line past which redemption is impossible for someone.
It’s definitely possible that Blizzard will make Sylvanas’ redemption feel forced and unearned. In fact given the gravity of her crimes I struggle to imagine a way for Blizzard to pull it off in a way that feels satisfying. There are writers who I’d trust with that sort of thing, but I’m skeptical Blizzard would be able to given their track record.
But I’m not against the idea of redemption for Sylvanas out of principle. I’m not going to declare a whole story thread like that bad without first seeing how Blizzard handles the execution.
Vindicated I think is the term you’re looking for: the ends justify the means.
The Forsaken are a tool to Sylvanas. Albeit, a pitiable one. The alliance to the Horde was more or less one of poor faction planning and the fact that most can’t disseminate a “free” undead to an enslaved Scourge.
So, she’s always been cavalier with other’s opinions of her terror tactics and war-crimes, let alone her disregard for friendly fire against those already “on her side.”
The ressurection of corpses and twisting them to her will was highlighted in many of the quests during Cataclysm. So you see that she was already slipping into fatalism, generously speaking vs. complete nihilism at the worst.
So. She’s always been a “not good person” in respect to core values or tenets of war she’s used in the past.
She’s standing a better chance at vindication, even though her crimes are many and pretty nefarious.
We’ll see what happens to her in the next few months. Maybe she’ll be there, maybe she won’t.
If I hear that you have to get the full story from a fanfiction novel, I’m going to laugh.
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Why have you done this to the English language?
What did grammar ever do to you?
The carnage…
I imagine that if you don’t trust her, everyone will suffer for it. So she won’t need to jump through any “extremely stupid” hoops. What you’re suggesting obviously satisfies some primitive need you have to see “wrongdoers” suffer, but punishment accomplishes nothing and never has.
You might be able to argue your point if Sylvanas was fully in control of her faculties, under no duress, and had no ulterior motives for her actions - but none of those things are true. She was not wholly herself as part of her soul was missing, she was under extreme duress, and everything she did was done to serve a sense of what she believed to be the greater good.
Was she wrong? Yes, and she probably should have seen that sooner. She willingly served the jailer until he mentioned it and then her pride got hurt. Her perspective has changed, however, and she regained her soul. She has nothing to prove to anyone, and in lieu of penance, she will rescue Anduin from the Domination magic that has taken him over.
She doesn’t care what you or I think about her. She never has, and she never will. Mortal Ranger-General Sylvanas didn’t care what you or I thought. Why would anything she has done in World of WarCraft change that?
And who said she was sorry? Now that we know the souls of Teldrassil were sent to the Winter Queen by Elune, Sylvanas’ “war crime” is really just her being used as a tool by a warped goddess. Not really her fault.
She did murder Saurfang and tell us that we were nothing, but in fairness, none of us can solo her and Saurfang got one-shotted, so maybe she has a point.
I doubt she will ever lead any faction of the Horde again unless it’s strictly dark rangers, valkyr, or banshees. She will likely serve the Horde and remain otherwise reclusive. But I doubt she’ll ever even apologize for anything she did. And why would she? She was deceived and had half a soul. Taking responsibility for any choice made in that condition would be pointless as the person making those choices bore no resemblance to her true self. I doubt she feels too guilty over it either. She was being used by Zovaal and Elune. They took all that responsibility right off her shoulders. And, lest we forget, her entire character arc is Arthas’ fault. In fact, if you really think about it, Teldrassil only burned because Arthas cut the dead scar through Eversong and refused to show his enemies the mercy of a clean death.
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I heard there was pinata…where da pinata?!
I’m not sure if you meant to respond to me or to the OP more broadly, but since I got the notification I’ll reply anyway.
It’s not. Vindication is confirmation that what someone did was correct or justifiable. Redemption doesn’t require someone’s actions to be justified, but rather atoned for. If someone is redeemed, it means that the evil of their actions was acknowledged but also that they’ve earned forgiveness since then.
I can see a logical reasoning for Sylvanas’ behavior. But that doesn’t mean I think she was justified. Just that I understand her. Characters in stories can have bad reasons for doing bad things that make total sense to them. If done properly, I’d actually see a redemption arc for Sylvanas as confirmation that she was entirely unjustified since it would require acknowledgment of wrongdoing.
To be proven right THROUGH your actions. Justifiable or not. I thought that’s what vindicated means. To be proven right.
You can see how dangerously close to moral ambiguity those that were “right” or “did nothing wrong” gets.
No redemption for Sylvanas. Just either create a new faction with her leading it or give her a clean end.
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We shall have peace . . . we shall have peace, when you answer for the burning of Teldrassil, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of Lordaeron, are avenged! When you hang from a gibbit for the sport of your own thirsty fanboys! . . . we shall have peace.
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Yeah I think I would agree with that.
But I don’t think that has anything to do with redemption. I don’t think that the narrative should frame Sylvanas’ actions as justified or correct - because they’re objectively abhorrent. I don’t want to see a story where Sylvanas is vindicated, but I think it’s possible to tell a good story where she is redeemed.
Okay you get a free like for quoting LotR.
on a serious note English is not my first language.
on a 2nd serious note i honestly don’t care really, but i thought it would be alright to let you know because it pissed me off that people with a correction addiction like you exist.
on a 3rd serious note, i live with the fact that you exist so even if you don’t accept me and fell annoy for my response i will say this *MHFLGH NASHHU TIMMAAAT wish mean nothing really and i hope my bad grammar made you angry. 
nah, i just want her to suffer for all she did and i am not the only one on this boat of hate, but it is cool what a grammar correction addict would know or understand of anger toward a character that was great one and now is nothing but a joke.
fyi this will be my last response sense most likely blizzard will ban me from the forums, i am ok with that a this point.
you suck grammar police man, leave a response i won’t read it but do please leave a response for the rest of the up tight grammar correcting addict loser to enjoy how they all band together to take down one person on the internet as if it was a Demon Lord they where fighting or something.
BYE, DON’T ANYMORE
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Syl doesn’t even deserve to be in the company of heroes. She must have been beaten, handcuffed and gagged in some dank, dirty dungeon, mulling over her failures.
But she’ll be forgiven for everything she’s done and we’ll still have ambiguous feelings for her at best and don’t doubt that someone makes Jaina and Anduin feel sorry for her.
Not even Elune is upset about the massacre of her children. If she’s not vindictive, then neither should we. Massacring night elves is excusable.
Syl will be redeemed whether we like it or not and nothing in the world will change that.
It’s better to accept it, because that way it will hurt less.
It’s actually going to hurt anyway but if we learn to be apathetic like this kind of textual insult, our lives will be really unpleasant and we will be able to buy more mounts from the store for a 6 month subscription.
Have Mercy! 
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