Will agree. I was not jumping out of my seat for these set bonuses. The 2 piece is ok, the 4 piece is…underwhelming.
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I actually like the 4pc, though it’s not as good as our current. It’s an upgraded azerite traits, Wilderness Survival, that I’ve been wanting back since we lost it. I’m just really confused why we would be empowering kill command over mongoose bite.
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Survival: Exists
Bepples: And I took that personally!
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swap the 2pc/4pc then change the 4pc by “Wildfire Bomb damage increased by 10% and throwing a Wildfire Bomb gives/adds 3 sec of mongoose fury” and it’s ok 
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Unless they are buffing wildfire bombs in 10.1 this looks very weak,
Bombs hit like a wet noodle currently.
In Talents Lunge causes Auto attacks to reduce the CD of bombs by 1 second
4 Pc Tier 25 focus spend reduced bombs by 1 second.
So many bomb cooldown reduction not sure why.
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Yea I’m ok with that as the new 4pc is just an upgraded old azerite trait that we had which I really wanted to be baked into the spec. I just hate that we are empowering Kill Command over Mongoose Bite.
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And we’ll see QQ threads like these forever as SV continues to suck.
Since the moderators thought my last response to this was apparently “trolling/spamming”, let me elaborate:
Do you actually think this is a live-and-let-live situation? The entire crux of the matter is that we lost ranged Survival for this. Evidently that wasn’t a good value proposition because here we are, so many years later, with the spec still being a directionless dumpster fire.
People didn’t just randomly show up and decide to attack a spec for no reason other than “trolling”. We payed a big price for melee SV and a lot of us are very unhappy with the result.
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Screw playing it. They don’t even know what the buttons do. That cheese ball probably thinks Kill Command costs focus and is our spender (he saw the BM version on wowhead 5 minutes before throwing this together).
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Didn’t ask, and nobody cares. You can leave us alone now and quit trolling every thread.
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I’m with you. Let’s empower mongoose and give bombs a lil buff and this could be a great set.
AND let’s bake the tier1 4-pc bite proc into base SV lol
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I have a suggestion on what they could do to make the new tier a lot better. What if they just replaced wildfire bomb with flanking strike? It would give a nice cd reduction on flanking strike and you’d have the empowered kill command to use when it’s on cooldown. It wouldn’t be as good in AoE but we’re already getting a buffed lunge to give us more bombs. Just my thoughts, I think making it flanking strike would be so much better
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I’m still seeing the issue of empowering kill command over mongoose bite. There is no scenario where I like that.
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Then perhaps it would be best to heed the warning, and not double-down on the behavior that’s getting you flagged. No matter how tactfully you enunciate yourself, diluted venom is still poisonous.
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Ultimately Blizz should take a look at our Mastery cause it only affects like 3 Abilities and it not affecting Bombs is kind of crazy to me especially if its supposed to play a big part of our kit, sheeesh they can Make bombs cost 10 focus like Serpent sting Small and unnoticeable. A lot of the survival hunters run with birds of prey cause it benefits from the mastery over the bombardier talent. I personally like running the bomb over birds jus cause i enjoy it better
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Agreed, unfortunately it’s a long shot mastery gets messed with mid season.
Maybe make our mastery the current 4 set proc of a free MB and the more mastery we have the more dmg the free MB deals?
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I wouldn’t hate it, but what would that really accomplish over Haste, though, except in that the latter doesn’t imbalance/devalue as many talents? At least Mastery does increase our damage ceiling under MF by outscaling Vers for MB damage (just needs to be tuned high enough to also outscale Crit for pure ST).
In both cases (of Haste or of Bestial Barrage), the synergy is just ‘more MBs in your MF window’.
I’d almost rather just see Mastery increase the benefit of MF/TotS stacks, maybe, assuming that were made central (perhaps all melee attacks thus benefiting) — imagine an immediate choice node between RS (with TotS) and MB, as much as I’m a bit loathe to lose the TotS-MF synergy, mild though it be.
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The Survival tier set is utter trash, of all hunter skills they decided to base it entirely on 1 Skill (bombs).
What happens to all the melee skills, stat bonuses, and CDs?
I see other classes and specs getting CDRs and buffs on their main abilities, yet we get this Tier bomb trash.
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SV Mastery should increase elemental and nature damage then build a rotation based on poisons, bleeds and fire dps. SV would have a strong DoTs rotation and high aoe potential.
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Ya I think it just makes getting some mastery not feel awful. I think we will always value haste over all other cause this spec just feels better with a close to 1sec gcd.
I also thought about this and would immediately spec in MB and never look back lol.
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