Survival Return to Ranged Please!

[Bepples-barthilas]

@Aesica-moon-guard

2. I haven’t played any class except this one in awhile because I took a break from the game to sleep through this (mediocre) expansion. That doesn’t mean I haven’t logged decent hours on my hunter prior to the break.

So, basically, my assumption was right.

@Aesica-moon-guard

3. I never said all ranged classes (or even specs) play the same, because they don’t. But if you zoom way out and look at the designs of strictly-damage-oriented classes, some of them have struggled for quite awhile to carve out proper identnities for all 3 specs–rogues also had this problem and one could argue they still kind of do. Hence why one fellow brought up making outlaw an entirely ranged spec, which isn’t an entirely bad idea.

I don’t accept the argument “if you ignore everything that was different, these things were the same”.

You are ignoring crucial differences between specs that make them valid specs to begin with and you’re trying to justify that by saying that overgeneralising is not only fine but preferrable when talking about specs… in the context of an upcoming expansion explicitly aimed at remedying some of the damage caused by trying to make specs too separate, no less.

Being in favour of such revisionist, disruptive changes to existing specs that people enjoy is an incredibly selfish and careless attitude.

@Aesica-moon-guard

I’ll agree that not all of their decisions are good, but there’s also the other side of the coin, as not every decision they make is bad. Account-wide collections, for example, was a fantastic decision, as was the LFG tool.

Class design is something they are hammered on all the time in Legion and BFA so I think it’s safe to call it one of their failures.

@Aesica-moon-guard

Ooh, okay. So you’re just bitter and want to lash out because new survival isn’t exactly what you want, and you feel entitled to have it made your way. Got it.

Most Hunters preferred the old Survival, as evidenced by the multitudes more Hunters who actually played it. So actually wanting Survival to be ranged is the less selfish stance.

@Naham-argent-dawn

This for me. I was for making it a 4th Spec, but that has changed. It’s quite frankly asking for Hunters to go back to having poor development just to appease some people who probably wont even play it.

Let’s appreciate two things here:

• Actually thinking that the pre-Legion state of the class is the one that was “poor development” considering… well… everything that has happened since
• Arguing that we probably won’t even play ranged SV despite the fact that it was widely played and enjoyed back then, while people insisted that melee SV would be the same before actually not playing it after all