Survival changes are mostly destructive to the core of the spec

[Ghonhir-living-flame]

@Çollege-stormrage

If I still get to continually blow things up then I’m in.

I’m with you on that one, the bomb vfx and sfx are low key a big reason why I like the spec so much. it’ll definitely be interesting to see where it lands in 11.0.5—I think freeing up GCD economy will be nice especially with the deathblow mechanic being added to the spec tree (proc kill shot availability regardless of mob HP % )

freeing up the GCDs like this also lets fote shine, which should be neat!

[Gnomagnion-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Tayl-wyrmrest-accord

They should not have removed pre-Legion survival,

pre legion survival had an identity?

legitimately the only things I remember about it are explosive shot and black arrow, both of which are either core set or hero talents.

What would “new” old survival be? worse Marksmanship? A tank???

[Huntsen-alleria]

@Yumuros-thunderlord

The Shift in its Design back to being an independent AoE Burst feels great. Sure, it will take time for ppl to adapt, esp. for those that didn’t follow optimal play and got away with it.

The rotation is currently (in current patch) still convoluted and there isn’t often a clear answer for the player (only while playing - not after reading a guide on it) as to what to press next.

Thats what I love About Survival Hunter compared to other Melee specializations I have tried.
Outside the first 4-5 or so opening things to press (Maybe more if Trinkets, Potions, other on use stuff) Its pretty much all PRIORITY actions after that. Be in the moment, fast paced all based on the current situation. While not having overly complex possibilities on what to press next (I’m looking at you Arcane Mage in Dragonflight)
Plus the hit and run style of combat. Run in do some stuff back off a litttle do some stuff, reposition for optimal bomb damage spread etc etc.

Havoc DH comes close but their reliance to have to dash in for their damage when its a bad time to rush in makes them a little to tricky for me to play well. Of course I never tried THAT hard to get good at Havoc. Plus i’m not a big fan of the class fantasy as it pertains to the games lore.

As far as the changes go for Survival I can’t say yet. I haven’t tried them on the PTR. I’ll have to wait until they go on live before I really can have an honest opinion. But I sure am theory crafting in my head on what it will play like.

@Yumuros-thunderlord

One thing I would have liked to see from those changes would have been a resource
bar for Tip of the Spear, as it is so centric to the Spec that it could need it.

That would be a great idea!

[Huntsen-alleria]

@Ilarion-windseeker

There is also the issue of how the community at large seems to have rejected survival in favor of bringing other melee. There’s nothing that survival can do that bm or mm can’t and they can do it from 30+m away

If that Ain’t the truth.
Everytime I go to PuG a Mythic Plus group the only thing anyone ever asks me is “You use a Lust pet?”

[Tayl-wyrmrest-accord]

Read my original statement.

[David-zuljin]

@Furvival-stormrage

Butchery changes are completely uncalled for and maybe the worst change listed here. Currently, Butchery is absolutely required for lowering bomb cooldowns. Changing it to 15 seconds will make that a complete non-factor. Also, Symphonic Arsenal in the Sentinel tree depends on Butchery spam to function. Symphonic Arsenal ends up being around 5% of my dps after a dungeon run. Decreasing the proc by that extent means Symphonic Arsenal needs to be completely reworked.

Thank you. I was saying this as well, but a few forum troll guide writers just keep telling me that I’m playing survival wrong (There is a difference between sub-optimal and wrong, btw). Butchery as it is, is fine. It interacts well with bomb cooldowns and makes AoE component feel very fun and quick. It also allows RS to cleave, so you can weave 1:1 in AoE with it and RS for big hits and bomb cooldowns. Changing it makes bombs slower and makes it feel like there’s no AoE cleave at all.

[Pandapassion-area-52]

@Linxy

HUNTER

• Hero Talents
  • Pack Leader
    • Scattered Prey duration increased to 20 seconds (was 15 seconds).
• Survival
  • Grenade Juggler has been updated – Now resets the cooldown of Explosive Shot instead of automatically firing it.
    • Developer’s note: By allowing you to manually fire Explosive Shot, we can open up this talent’s ability to synergize with existing effects (like Grenade Juggler’s own cooldown reduction) while also eliminating some frustrating edge-cases.
  • Relentless Marauder has been updated – Now also increases Fury of the Eagle’s damage by 10%.
  • Frenzy Strikes Wildfire Bomb cooldown reduction per target hit increased to 3 seconds (was 1 second).
  • Merciless Blow duration reduced to 8 seconds (was 12 seconds).
  • Killer Companion now increases Kill Command’s damage by 10/20% (was 5/10%).
  • Sentinel
    • Symphonic Arsenal damage increased by 200%.

Well,well,well. Looks like they realized how bad they screwed up with some of the initial changes and are starting to walk it back.

Several points I made, and was argued against by “the pros”, are already acknowledged here and starting to be addressed.

It’s still not enough, but at least we’re moving back in the right direction.

[Woödsy-frostmourne]

@Pandapassion-area-52

and are starting to walk it back.

Walk it back how?

@Pandapassion-area-52

Several points I made, and was argued against by “the pros”, are already acknowledged here and starting to be addressed.

Which? Can you actually give an example

[Hildegarte-llane]

I mean, they basically took “you cant do butchery back to back” and buffed the damage of corresponding abilities to compensate for the lack of spam… don’t think they’re walking back really lol Just making it less spammy, which is what you said wasn’t a problem currently on live?