you seem to believe Blizzard gives a crap about your opinion…
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the compromise for flying in the current expansion and future expansions IS pathfinder 
Well, with that attitude why even post on the forums at all?
I say Pathfinder stays broken in parts but with some changes.
Part 1 starts at expac launch and requires lore master , explorer for the initial zones and max level only once completed flying opens in those zones .
Part 2 or any further parts start when the zones for those parts open and are a loremaster and explorer chevo for those zones and once completed flying is open.
No more complete part one then have to wait a year for part 2 before flying.
Just a simple once you complete the cheevo for said zones you get to fly in said zones.
Be careful they might take Blizz’s lead but instead of borrowed power they will have borrowed dipping sauce.
~get rid of daze.
~remember the tip “stick to the roads to avoid aggro”? add that back! give us safe paths again
~verticality is fun once we have flying but if we are forced to RE-BUY flying AGAIN, then stop with the unpassable two foot high rocks and us having to run around (and thru!) tons of mobs trying to find a way up
~better yet, give us flying upfront and give us verticality and TONS of it, make flying part of the adventure, not just a way to pass over stuff we don’t want to deal with
~we could unlock specific mounts to ride in SL with abilities to scare away flying mobs, boosts of speed, etc. perhaps at first they just have high jump and glide to get us around the vertical exploration, eventually earning their wings and making flying mobs no longer an issue
The creeping carpet via tailors from WoD still can’t fly.
That was found in the WoD beta. Wake up to those unconvinced because they were planning no flight forever well before WoD started in production.
Kudos to the player in WoD beta that pointed out the strangeness of having the Creeping carpet not being able to fly when the three previous carpets were both ground and flying mounts respectively.
“Seeing everything on the ground” is a misnomer. It’s a nonissue. When I was leveling in TBC I ran from HFP to Zangarmarsh exactly one time. Then I took the flight path. There’s no reason to run there again. And when I hit 70 I didn’t ground pound around Zangarmarsh or Hellfire Peninsula and I didn’t miss out on a damn thing. There’s nothing impressive about seeing the same ogres and naga for the 500th time.
What I did see were new areas that opened up to me like Netherwing Ledge and Skettis. I hadn’t done a lot of BEM or Netherstorm on the ground, but I sure did when I got flying. I was able to farm on the Elemental Plateau and the Barrier Hills. I explored places I never would have bothered with when I was on the ground.
Blizzard doesn’t care if you “see everything on the ground” before you fly. This is just something they tell you (like they removed PvP vendors because people couldn’t find them) in hopes you’ll buy into their BS.
Just look at the way they used to design maps compared to retail. There were minimal obstacles in your way if you wanted to travel in a straight line, say, through the Barrens or Westfall, Arathi Highlands, Desolace and so on. There were few obstacles if you wanted to travel in a straight line through Nagrand or Zangarmarsh or HFP and roads were relatively safe. You avoided the opposite factions patrols and elites and voila. You didn’t get dazed off your mount every 5 seconds and have to stop and kill 95 things if you chose to travel by road.
This design is meant to slow you down. That’s it. There’s nothing else to it. All these obstacles are tiresome and pointless for players. And so is Pathfinder.
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Oh joy ANOTHER flying in SL post…
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So?
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Because there is more than enough people thinking they know best making these same posts. There are the same ones just different wording being posted every day.
Blizz has said their mindset on pathfinder, not everyone agrees with it, but also not everyone minds it either. You can either play WoW with it, or don’t, but thinking you are original or inspiring with these posts…well you are not…
The big problem with the gold for flight model that people ignore is that cost of flight did not inflate with how much gold inflated. You want the OG TBC/WoTLK flight for gold model? Prepare to fork over something like 50-100k per character. Getting an epic flying mount in TBC was no joke for the mass population in TBC, and even into WoTLK I don’t know exactly recall when my rerolled main got his epic flying, but dumping gold on cold flying in WoTLK was still a big enough hit to slow that down. I worked my butt off to get the achievement WASLTIB just to save the gold on the 310% mount as well.
I don’t mind pathfinder, and in a lot of ways I don’t entirely mind waiting for pathfinder to unlock, but I do wish they’d make flight available on launch and let the player prioritize how quickly they want to grind it out, even if that means the grind’s length is ramped up a bit more compared to what we’re currently used to.
Well thank you for pointing this out! No one has ever done so before! 
Look, no one here thinks Blizzard is going to read these posts and think, “OH MY GOD THEY’RE RIGHT!” No one here thinks Blizzard reads these posts at all.
The forums are a place to discuss WoW and express your opinions. If the forums were limited to original opinions there wouldn’t be any posts at all. Including yours.
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And I would be completely fine with it, if it meant we didn’t see 500 “Flight in SL” posts…
Until then, ill continue my sarcastic, tired of repetitive post comments
It doesn’t matter. If you didn’t break your bank getting flying, who cares? That being said, Blizzard used to be pretty good at creating gold sinks like the mammoth mount and such.
Not being a huge gold sink is also a plus for new players, which Blizzard should be trying to attract.
In your tired, repetitive way no doubt.
You do you my friend.
Loremaster and explorer achievements for the expac are all that should be required. Their argument was that we needed to see the content first, well those two achievements guarantee that is the case. To demand more is to admit that their argument was invalid.
I always assume the people who accuse others of “stomping,” “whining,” “crying,” “moaning,” etc. are the kind of people who would actually do this IRL.
It’s beyond their comprehension that people might just calmly say “hey, this stinks and Blizzard are sneaky jerks for doing it” and then leave.
The very fact that we even have Pathfinder is because the WoW team got mushroom stamped by their bosses at Blizzard for wrecking their revenue stream by making so many people quit.
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Why wouldn’t it matter? Flight cost was fairly relevant in TBC and WoTLK because the cost had a noticeable impact on your wallet. Part of the reason Blizzard was unhappy with the direction of flight was that the original model fell out of relevancy due to gold inflation and the expectation of flight instantly at max level. The original system gave you enough gold to get a slow flying mount that allowed access to other areas and also gave you an expensive luxury option and transformed into players saying they should get flight as soon as they ding max level.
You don’t get to ignore that aspect of the conversation.
Why would it matter? It’s certainly prohibitive for new players to up the cost of flying. And as I mentioned, Blizzard introduced gold sinks such as mammoths. So in fact there were gold sinks for players who had an abundance of it without discouraging new players in the process. Riding was a gold sink in Vanilla. Should it still be one? Of course not. There are other features Blizzard can add to the game for this purpose.
No. Not even a consideration. There is no reason players shouldn’t have flying when they reach max level. Not a single reason. And the idea of replacing flying at max level with PF because players didn’t spend enough gold on flying doesn’t even make sense. It’s not like you’re spending more gold doing PF.
If they have the gold why shouldn’t they? Should ground mounts have a pathfinder now as well since players expect to get one as soon as they hit the appropriate level?
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