Neekó:
covered up.
Most depictions of succubi in antiquity did, in fact, have dresses
just throwing that out there
No they need to add an incubus (including adding some in Dreadscar Rift)
We’ve been asking for an incubus for all of WoW’s history
We were actually promised an incubus back in Cataclysm, ten years ago
Support warlock stables
Copy pasting from my Shadowlands Compilation thread in the warlock forums lol
Consider:
Short and sweet asks:
Please give warlocks the ability to speak Demonic once more. This was removed when Demon Hunters were added, and it doesn’t make sense given presumably demon summoning rituals are in demonic.
Similarly, given we summon the Voidwalker/Voidlord, I would argue we should be able to speak Shath’yar given Void summoning rituals are in Shath’yar presumably.
Please fix the Wrathguard dua…
I hope after all of this, I can get Lokath immortalized as either an incubus or in the warlock order hall.
I damn well better be immortalized as the warlock grimoire scribe after all the damn effort I’ve put into the damn concept this past year (and for the foreseeable future until I quit the game or it dies or the world ends)
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You’ll always be a legend in my book!
That won’t solve the issue.
We’re in a mutually beneficial contract with her. We feed her the hearts of good men, she does our bidding when we choose to summon her. We stop feeding her the hearts of good men, she’s free to go because contract is broken.
The outfit could use some touchups (I mean the Madonna cone bra is just… so 90s), and I wouldn’t object to something like a Victorian Dominatrix (so long as we get the equivalent for an Incubus because we were promised such ten years ago
If anything, the canonical lore of our in-game succubus minion is much improved over the IRL myth:
Baalsamael:
In myth? No, the oldest iteration of the succubus, the “Lilin” or “lilu”, are traditionally the daughters/servants of Lilith, who in some retellings is the “first vampire” (because she survived on blood in the desert East of Eden) or the “mother of demons” (folklore which started as Jewish myth and spread to both Christians and Muslims over the centuries) by being the consort of Satan (and in some iterations of Jewish medieval theology, she is the mother of Cain).
Otherwise some other “Night Women” vary from the Greek Lampades (who serve Hekate), Irish Banshees (who are often described as beautiful, particularly the Banshee Queen Cliodhna), or the more cursory and globally “White Lady” myths (e.g. Latin American Llorona), or the Greek Lamia.
Notably, the Mesopotamian Lilu which became the Jewish Lilin (of Lilith) was translated by Hellenic Jews in the Septuagint as “Daimonia” (Demons, or Spirits) in Isaiah 34 while the Roman Church translated it as Greek Lamia but Latinized and retained.
Medieval Jewish theology maintained the Succubi were the children of the Demon Queens while Western Christian tradition the Succubi and Incubi were divided into two separate beings.
Notably both the Lamia of Greek is derived also from the Mesopotamian myth of the Lammashtu/Lammea (historical speculation) who is separate from the Lilu, but the Lammea are daughter/s of Anu while the Lilu are tied to Inanna/Ishtar.
In every iteration and in its mythological genealogy, the succubus is a predator and a servant, and tied to both nocturnal emissions, the death of newborns (particularly male newborns), or children both with malformations, usually due to punishment of the parents.
The real issue is we lack an Incubus and we lack Warlock Stables.
Support warlock stables!
In my ideal world, Succubus slot should be:
Succubus
Shivarra
Spider lady demons
Imp Mothers
Satyr
Felblood Elves
Fel Orcs
Eredar (both models)
Lokath:
As the title suggests, the succubus demon/warlock pet needs to be removed from the game. It perpetuates a harmful stereotype of female subservience. Additionally, she is barely wearing any clothes.
Now is the time. Times up.
Edit: With the removal of /spit, this is more likely than not to happen.
More evidence that supports blizzard removing or editing the succubus.
Succubi are, and have always been, demoness who don’t wear much clothing. This should not be changed under any circumstances. If you do not like it, deal with it. It is in the lore, it is how the culture is around it. Stop trying to change just for the sake of change because your sensitivity levels are too bad.
Lokath:
Edit: so there has been a lot of discussion, at least SOME was constructive. Maybe there can be some kind of compromise. I.E. glyphs, add an incubus, put actual armor on the succubus, etc…. There have been too many people not taking this seriously enough, and several trolls have resorted to attacking me instead of discussing the topic at hand.
Because you are crazy and insane for trying to change things like this. A full on neurotic nutcase. That being said, though, no, it should not be changed nor does it need to be. You can have a glyph for incubus, that would be fine. A succubus with armor would be cool to have as a glyph as well, but that still doesn’t change the original form of them.
Agreed, from the internet really. If people are literally too sensitive, you should not be using the internet, at all. Not trying to be some mean bully here, but seriously, you’re not doing the game nor world any favors with being so uber sensitive. I hate sounding like an a-hole, but, this is seriously neuroticism at its core.
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Historically false as I illustrate in the post immediately above yours.
The cultural genealogy of demons being an area of research of mine IRL
Frankly, I am not married to the Madonna Cone Bra.
But if they’re gonna change her outfit, it is high time we get an incubus.
Blizzard is already cleaning up the less than acceptable content in the game. Only a matter of time.
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i can def see succubus going away
the entire concept behind her fits in with the stuff they’re removing
Exactly. You know a lot of great suggestions have come up from other players that I agree would be a good work around.
I mean they could easily just replace succubus while maintaining the core fantasy
Call them Lilim, or Lamias.
They can just replace succubus with that demon spider in Legion, instead of seducing someone, the spider can just use their web ability to achieve the same result.
yeah i assume they’d just replace her with a different demon that has all the same types of abilities.
i’m not against current succubus, but she does crack a whip and moan…so i am guessing she’s out lol
There were many good suggestions like just covering her up a bit, or adding a glyph of some sort.
I think there is a middle ground to be reached here.
I’m always down with more options!
Or just retcon Succubi/Incubi as Lilim, and instead of seduction it’s just a “night song”.
I want my incubus tho.
Again, warlock stables:
Baalsamael:
I want my incubus tho.
Introducing incubus is like seeing house A is burning, but instead of helping house A, you decide to burn house B.
Again, your framing of the succubus, if sincere, is canonically incorrect and you should review your lore, or my posts
Baalsamael:
We’re in a mutually beneficial contract with her. We feed her the hearts of good men, she does our bidding when we choose to summon her. We stop feeding her the hearts of good men, she’s free to go because contract is broken.
The outfit could use some touchups (I mean the Madonna cone bra is just… so 90s), and I wouldn’t object to something like a Victorian Dominatrix (so long as we get the equivalent for an Incubus because we were promised such ten years ago
If anything, the canonical lore of our in-game succubus minion is much improved over the IRL myth:
Baalsamael:
In myth? No, the oldest iteration of the succubus, the “Lilin” or “lilu”, are traditionally the daughters/servants of Lilith, who in some retellings is the “first vampire” (because she survived on blood in the desert East of Eden) or the “mother of demons” (folklore which started as Jewish myth and spread to both Christians and Muslims over the centuries) by being the consort of Satan (and in some iterations of Jewish medieval theology, she is the mother of Cain).
Otherwise some other “Night Women” vary from the Greek Lampades (who serve Hekate), Irish Banshees (who are often described as beautiful, particularly the Banshee Queen Cliodhna), or the more cursory and globally “White Lady” myths (e.g. Latin American Llorona), or the Greek Lamia.
Notably, the Mesopotamian Lilu which became the Jewish Lilin (of Lilith) was translated by Hellenic Jews in the Septuagint as “Daimonia” (Demons, or Spirits) in Isaiah 34 while the Roman Church translated it as Greek Lamia but Latinized and retained.
Medieval Jewish theology maintained the Succubi were the children of the Demon Queens while Western Christian tradition the Succubi and Incubi were divided into two separate beings.
Notably both the Lamia of Greek is derived also from the Mesopotamian myth of the Lammashtu/Lammea (historical speculation) who is separate from the Lilu, but the Lammea are daughter/s of Anu while the Lilu are tied to Inanna/Ishtar.
In every iteration and in its mythological genealogy, the succubus is a predator and a servant, and tied to both nocturnal emissions, the death of newborns (particularly male newborns), or children both with malformations, usually due to punishment of the parents.
The real issue is we lack an Incubus and we lack Warlock Stables.
Baalsamael:
Again, your framing of the succubus, if sincere, is canonically incorrect and you should review your lore, or my posts
That succubus quest is no longer canon, Warlock summon/sacrifice different succubus than the one you form a pact back in the day now.