Sub Rogue Is Disgusting

Because the devs are biased towards theirs mains. So insanely unprofessional.

Ret literally lost nothing at all going into midnight.

Ret lost being able to blinding light and use searing light its a choice node now. But i dont think warlocks\rogue lost anything at all defensive\utility wise.

Utility wise some specs are worse than others and those with way less utility should be doing more damage than those with tons of utility imo. The end of the day tuning damage numbers is basically 80% of the balance in pvp lmao.

Damage from a few specs is just way too high and utility is also too unbalanced like who thought it would be a good idea to give unholy dk the already OP healer kill 2 Anti heals. I honestly dont think blizz knows what they are doing, Unholy dk did not need 2 anti heals.

Yea, some of the match ups are so comically bad at the moment. It’s also like they gave ZERO consideration to how a lot of the utility abilities (slow, thunderstorm. tar trap, etc) also work as defensives.

What’s funny to me is this is exactly what happened in WoD. Rogue retained everything (I think even picked up some abilities) while a ton of specs were gutted.

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Sub rogue* and even then they didnt retain everything. The other specs were gutted to the point of hardly even being rogue specs anymore. Not to mentioned they nerfed Kidney last expansion too, for all specs. Rogues have been getting pruned since Shadowlands.

Blind>Sap gone

8s blind gone

8s sap gone

20s Kindey CD gone

7s kidney duration gone

Shadowy Duel gone (although I agree with this one)

Cheap Shot spam gone for all specs, but sub is just less affected by it.

Garrote silence nerfed.

Outlaw’s vanish CDR gone

I get you find the class frustrating but youre just spreading blatant misinformation. Rogues have been pruned like no other.

Rets on the other hands have been having the drawbacks of their kit progressively stripped away and getting more and more buffs to their already OP buttons every other patch.

This did not happen AT ALL.

You can voice valid criticisms without needing to resort to falsehoods.

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No one sleeps on dev why do I see that said so often? Dev has been completely broken since like S3 of DF. Everyone knows it’s OP.

At this point I think with dev they should just make Hover 1 charge with a duration longer than its cooldown because its pretty clear they want it to have as much uptime as possible.

That or take away hovers from being reset with dragon breath. Dev was still OP before that was even a thing.

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What about longer CD on Kidney or just give CS a CD?

Idk i think dev is just really badly designed. Without max uptime on hover its miserable. If melee catch you youre done. So even though its a bad design and I cant stand playing into it I do kinda agree its pretty much necessary.

Got the 1st one last xpac. Its CD was increased by 50%. Got the 2nd one this xpac. Sub has a talent that lets it ignore its CD once though which makes it the last rogue spec thats not a leather warrior. It totally killed the other 2 rogue specs though.

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2 hovers is enough imo. You used to have to at least think about how to use them. Now you can just send it and there’s very little punishment for wasting your mobility.

I think it would be fine if deep breath reset 1 charge. 2 may be a bit much

Then increase its CD again or nerf the talent. That said, I’m hesitant to mess with their CC so much. Much as i hate rogues, CC is their shtick. The alternatives to addressing the CC would be to either reduce their dam which is sensible because having high CC uptime and high dam is kinda dumb. Or make them squishier. Or buff other classes to counter rogues more.

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???

WoD. Rogues retained nearly everyting going from MoP to Wod.

I’m not.

Dev is similar to pres where they need mobility to function correctly.

How broken it is would be more apparent if more people played it. Not sure why most don’t it’s very easy to use.

Then we would have 3 leather warriors instead of 2 because as you said:

Although this is no longer true for 2 of the 3 specs. But yes, at the very least cheap shot spam was as integral to rogues as sheep spam is to mages.

They did this to outlaw. Its kind of weird honestly. Its supposed to be the “brawler” spec. But now it dies to air. Assa is already squishy. Sub could use a survivability nerf though, I agree with that.

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Blizzard: What if we made rogues auto eviscerate when they Kidney Shot…:exploding_head:

Evoker representation would skyrocket if they allowed perma visage form

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Most of the complaints I’ve heard about dev is with how it looks. To me it looks fine I actually kind of like the dragon form and being able to fly without a mount in the open world.

I agree. But they should make it a toggle so you can have perma visage form if you want it.