Story Forum Community Lounge (Part 1)

Bug isn’t the word, it’s jank. The achieves automatically transfer when Alliance and Horde have similar numbers of quests in the area. If they have wildly different numbers, one or both sides does not transfer cross faction.

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That explains why some of my achievements didn’t transfer over when I went back to the horde

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Did you manage to get into the Discord? It seeks the link at the top no longer works.

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Certainly never would’ve figured that one on my own.

I tell ya this game sign waves between extreme hand holding and complete silence when showing you how the game works.

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I did, thank you! Discord invite links are a sorcerous magic I do not understand.

There are very many reasons I think it is a good decision by Blizzard to make BFA the default leveling experience for new players. Only WoD really comes close.

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I lost count how many times I had to log on to WoWhead to figure out how a certain quest or achievement worked because the game simply doesn’t tell you. Other times it gives you information overload :rofl:

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you know what really irritates me about this? the ticket system encourages you to check out fan sites. I did. Every fan site I checked had a few people encountering my bug. I eventually found a way* to force the bug to fix itself

GM: “this is working as intended”

NO. IT IS NOT.

.* reset the quest and keep trying until it actually worked

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I’m still bewildered why they’re in holding pattern about SL being an unmitigated disaster that was borderline abandoned midway through.

Because they’re tacitly admitting it with that move. Typically you’d want to show newcomers the best WoW has to offer as while the older stuff has it’s charm places like Outland are very clearly from 2006. So by sending them to the 2018 content they’re pretty much announcing SL is a mess.

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In Dragonflight, they are allowing people to use Chromie time to lvl 1-60, thus completly bypassing SL expansion. I think that’s their way of dismissing the expansion and pretending it never happened.

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I… don’t know about that.

I do think it is very likely that no one in leadership is especially happy with Shadowlands, but admitting it publicly may not be viewed as a good move, since it creates a fresh wave of “Blizzard admits content sucks” which can create a negative press wheel. In most cases where you have negatives, it’s best to admit them in the same breath that you can say “…but here’s the new cool thing we can do that we learned from it.”

But I suspect BFA was intended to become the default leveling experience from the time it was created.

  • It’s grounded. Afterlife is not going to be a logical expansion to start new on. BFA makes pretty good sense for a hero fresh from Exile’s Reach to get sent to, Shadowlands … doesn’t. “Good job saving yourself from a shipwreck and stopping some ogres, GET YEETED INTO THE AFTERLIFE NOW AND FIX OUR METAPHYSICS”
  • It gives good mogs that fit the factions generally. KT and Zandalari best of all, sure, but there’s plenty of more standard “Alliance” or “Horde” looks, which was something that was not at all upheld for other expansions.
  • It generally does not get deep into the political situation of the core factions (even Anduin is implemented very superficially) with anyone likely to die or turn traitor.
  • The Borrowed Power of the expansion was superficially implemented into quest design. This issue sinks Legion as an introduction for new players – “learn this complex system that is not separable from the plot but also doesn’t matter anymore”.
  • Second stat squish had to have been realized as a necessity before corrupted items began getting work done, since they broke item budgets wildly for the first time since the concept was really formalized internally.
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The thing is I do think there’s some babies worth not throwing out with the bathwater there. BFA saved the Iron Horde from complete irrelevance and that was the right move imo as their weird coal-punk Mad Max aesthetic is too good not to use again.

Likewise with SL I think keeping Denathrius around as this setting’s resident Asmodeus, Lucifer Morningstat Lawful Evil diety would be wise.

And I’d keep Ardenweald and Maldraxxus around. They had fun characters and I loved how Maldraxxus is the secretly wholesome zone where the monstrous flayed wings are tamed not with martial might or necromantic subjugation but love and encouragement. And Ardenweald is a secretly sadistic place where causing someone’s immortal soul to wither and rot is considered a prank.

As little cosmic spheres for Life and Death Magic I think they work pretty well. Bastion and Revendreth really don’t correspond with any big magical force so don’t really bare mentioning outside pretty specific circumstances.

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I personally adore how absolutely wholesome Maldraxxus ended up being. Plague Master Merileth…dude is just soo happy to have his slime buddies around. And he’s always excited to see his apprentice. Constantly wishing us luck and to be careful.

I do love Draka too. She was a suprisingly well written character despite my and other peoples intial skepticism

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I don’t know why, but I like the Night Fae the most out of all the covenants.

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Merelith is delightful. In general I was really pleasantly surprised by Maldraxxus. After we saw what Blizz considers morally gray with Sylvanas I figured the ‘not necessarily evil’ Maldraxxi were going to be war crimes ago-go.

Also didn’t help that Necrolord was literally the edgy username I had for Runescape when I was nine. So, that didn’t bode well.

So I was happy to be proven wrong there.

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Night Fae was the last I did and it wound up being my 2nd favorite. I think it suffered from a pretty weak start that definitely wasn’t helped if you were playing Horde. Funny though it is to picture Tyrande staring daggers at a baffled Vulpera who likely doesn’t know who or what a Teldrassil even is.

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I would argue that Night Fae and Maldraxxus best deliver what the people who are into those aesthetics want from a zone. Rev is OK. Kyrian is a pile of obvious “it should work this way but it’s not because of bad reasons”.

I have this absolute fixation with equality in all things; I’ve literally stopped watching a show I loved because it had clear favorites in its ensemble cast that were part of a ‘set’, and it bothered me that the in-universe set was imbalanced. (I’ve been told this is a common ADHD or Autistic trait and there’s some signs I have those things but was not diagnosed as a kid.)

And it will forever irritate me that the covenants go “Red, Green, Cyan, Blue”

THERE IS NO FOUR-COLOR SET THAT WORKS THAT WAY. Opponent Color Process: Red, Green, Yellow, Blue. Four optical cone colors: Red, Green, Blue, Violet. Sinic: Red, Cyan/Turquoise, White, Black (though usually combined with yellow for five). Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

All because, almost certainly, they didn’t want the Kyrians to be yellow (and conflated with Holy Light) even though it’s half their aesthetic.

And don’t get me started on how badly and boringly they implemented the memory thing, along with the clear incoherence of the vision among the team there.

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She called my Night Elf Demon Hunter a child of Teldrassil, despite the fact that he joined Illidan before Teldrassil was ever planted.

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“Teldrassil was only around for like… 2 or 3 years before the game started” was always my favorite fact to spring on Nelf RPers back in Vanilla. We’d just sit there and go “…but everyone acts like it’s always been there???”

I’m not convinced the majority of the writing staff is aware either. It feels like it was retconned in even though it wasn’t.

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If you play a Night elf DK, Yazmina Oakenthorn in the starting zone mentions that she took care of you while your mother served in the Temple of the Moon. But that’s on Teldrassil. Are you 7 years old?

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Revendreth suffered massively from having the finale of it’s campaign take place in the Raid. Because if you like me don’t raid then the story starts to feel like one of those Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D shows about the guys who clean up after all the cool stuff happened offscreen.

Plus while it’s mini game had it’s moments - well ya know I do harp on WoW for focusing on cosmic and hero stuff too often. But when I said I wanted to see more ground level stuff I didn’t mean I wanted to work as venue staff at an upscale country club.

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