Why are you only comparing FoL to all of that?
Seems a bit unfair and dishonest.
Esp since Flame shock / SFD is also used for lightning builds.
And lightning will most likely have a larger focus on crit compared to fire builds as well.
Its funny because FoL is so strong you typically want to not use LvB that often. Anyways.
Because while Lightning builds can take advantage of some of it, they frequently have to ceasefire on the Lightning spells to use Fire spells in order to do so.
Fire builds don’t have to worry about that because everything I mentioned in the second portion of that is tied to Fire. It all works together naturally, whereas Lightning’s ability to take advantage of some of it creates friction within the spec.
Casting a flame shock every so often causes friction in the spec?
It’s not just a matter of casting Flame Shock. You want to talk about being unfair and dishonest and come back with that?
It’s about how everything ties together for Fire. Look at everything I listed for Fire. Every single bit of it works together. With Lightning you literally have to stop what you’re doing to make use of abilities designed for Fire that just so happen to have included Lightning on the back end.
Literally all I brought up was casting flame shock.
Your response is that what I brought up created friction within the spec.
This is what I stated.
As you can see, I only brought up flame shock.
This is your response.
So yes. Not only were you implying only casting flame shock causes friction. You are also implying fire builds do not cast non fire spells.
See how you stated for lighting builds to take advantage of SOME of it causes friction? Then you try to say its how everything ties together.
Are you against casting ES/EB as well?
Your quoting everything we just said is meant to serve what purpose? You are literally quoting my words and then trying to insert your misinterpretation into them.
I have no problems with casting the occasional Fire spell with a Lightning build. I don’t mind casting some Fire spells as filler just as Fire builds will cast some Lightning as filler. Where I take issue is how all of the talents pertaining to Storm and Fire Elemental strongly favor Fire. I take issue with the degree of importance placed on Fire spells to benefit my Storm Elemental in a Lightning build.
There’s no way you can sit here and honestly say that Storm Elemental sees anywhere near the synergy with Lightning spells as Fire Elemental with Fire spells. The difference is massive.
I am using your exact words.
I dont know how else to interpret
shrug
But we can pretend I misunderstood and move on.
Do you have the up time numbers, comparing fire ele and storm ele? Because storm ele is up a ton. Constantly.
Storm Ele has around what…80-90% uptime. Are you saying this isnt good enough? That Fire far eclipses it? And this is with ignoring most of the fire based elemental cdr/extension type abilities.
Because if not, you have to know that if more synergy is added what synergy we currently have would have to be nerfed.
Its weird to say “make this talent worse, so we can create a new talent to get us back to what the first talent did”
No. Scroll back up. This was my reply.
I’m not talking about just Flame Shock. I’m talking about all the things that CAN benefit Storm Elemental, but in a backhanded sort of way, including Flame Shock + SFD as well as Surge of Power + Flame Shock / Lava Burst or the Farseer talents that can reduce the cooldown, but will do so more frequently depending on how many Lava Bursts you cast.
You took it upon yourself to try to reduce that down to simply casting Flame Shock.
All that aside, ultimately I want to see the Lightning build prioritize Lightning spells to benefit the Storm Elemental in a manner that compares to how effectively Fire spells are prioritized to benefit Fire Elemental.
My suggestions in the original post are intended to do just that and I believe they would do so in a way that highlights what people find fun about the Lightning build by running off of overloads to send a greater amount of Lightning flashing across the screen.
Ok.
So right now, lightning spells give about a 80-90% uptime on storm ele.
Are you saying that is not adequate?
What is the up time on fire ele?
Is it not uptime you are looking for? If so, what is your goal? Specifically.
I have to agree with Akston. I have huge up time on my storm ele. And with his buffs he hits much harder than before. Using FS is an easy way to add to my passive dmg from the high crit rate, which also lowers the CD of my pet. I like passive damage so FS + Earthen Rage + TS Ward + Lightning Rod gives me the constant damage game play I like. Not to mention the additional passive dmg that’s coming with stormbringer.
I pvp and use lava surge for the reduced cast time on LB. That plus pet cast reduction gives me a solid window of sub 1sec LB casts.
I play haste/crit focused build and it’s a blast!!
Volcanic Surge does a pretty good job of propping the build up, but those are some pretty massive numerical bonuses from that single talent. The fact that such a PVP talent is required if you want to play Lightning is a pretty good indicator that there is an inherent flaw in the design in my opinion.
When was the last time you played on beta and tested out Farseer Lighting Builds and Stormbrigner Lighting Builds? Current Lighting Builds for both Hero Talents pretty much spam lighting spells and quite literally only use Lava Burst to consume Primoridal Wave. It’s to the point where you’re not even hard casting it and, more often than not, just letting Lava Surge procs expire most of the time. This is quite literally the case in Pre-patch as of this week.
Testing it now and there seems to be some kind of bug that causes Flash of Lightning to remove far more cd than the 1 second per cast that it’s supposed to. The best I can figure is that it’s also causing cooldown reduction from spells cast by your summoned Elementals. It’s very noticeable when you cast Stormkeeper and gain the Lightning Elemental from Fury of the Storms.
I will say that the interaction is cool and provides a much better experience than the tooltips would lead one to believe, but this also begs the question of what happens when Blizz decides to fix the bug? They are notoriously unpredictable in these situations with some instances being fixed and left with no compensation while others have been fixed but then reverted entirely to allow the bug to carry on.
I am incredibly confident there is no bug associated with it as you are describing here.
If you can nail it down and document it, more than “there seems”…a ton of people would be interested and thankful.
It’s not bugged. FoL only works off of Lighting Bolt and Chain Lighting, none of the ele’s abilities give CDR. Go test your assumption by casting Storm Elemental > Stormkeeper > cast one Lighting Bolt to get your Eles to attack and then don’t hit your target. You wont see any CDR while they are active and hitting a target at all. You’re not accounting for the CD naturally ticking down on top of the CDR FoL and other sources.
Test it for yourself. Walk up to a target dummy, press Stormkeeper, and start casting Lightning Bolt. Watch how fast the seconds roll off.
I did.
A ton of people have.
No bug was found.
We are sitting here telling you that FoL is very strong, and when you see its strong…rather than acknowledge what we stated its feelycraft bug conspiracies.
It’s not a matter of feelycraft. I’m literally watching massive chunks of cd fall off of Stormkeeper while I do nothing but cast Lightning Bolt every 1.5 seconds.
Then frankly, I do not believe you.
I just did a round. I cast storm ele, then did nothing but lightning bolt casts until it was back up. It was back up at 1:22 into the training dummy combat. I had 68 casts of lightning bolt. So that would be about 68 seconds off.
Which gives me exactly 2m30. The cooldown of storm ele.
I did it again only watching stormkeeper. 1m cd. It was up in 34 seconds. With 24 casts of lightning bolt.
You’re not accounting for its natural CD. If you use Stormkeeper then cast 2 Lighting Bolts within 5 seconds its remaining CD will be 7 seconds lower. FoL is just that busted.