It just means they haven’t set a time limit for the buffs yet.
Please let there be some melee range increase in there some where. Please!
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Would have loved to see something regarding ascendance. Maybe they’re saving that for base talent reworks like we’re seeing with pal/mage and the like now.
I think all 3 shamans would love some classic ascendance tune-ups.
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True, but elementalist still uses lightning bolt. Spending maelstrom on EB to proc tempest will be the way they do it. Might be the only way to do it if there aren’t more changes to the storm side.
Agreed.
Would be a huge fail if it didn’t.
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None of it is bad, but it’s also incredibly underwhelming, like none of those deserve to be hero talents. It’s good it doesn’t contribute to bloat, but it also doesn’t really change the playstyle at all. It really isn’t even geared towards Storm build except that storm has a small chance to do some nature damage. Otherwise elemental build uses lightning/chain lightning just as much and storm has a lot of ground to make up to be competitive with elemental. I pray they finally make stormstrike nature damage like it should be, but doubt it.
The uncapped AOE is nice, but it’s every 3 lightning bolts. So we still probably won’t be able to compete with uncapped aoe specs. Plus it’s just another rehashed lightning, I mean we already have primordial wave and chain lightning. They could just make chain lightning uncapped.
The reduced movement speed on nature damage is good for PvP, but PVE it’s niche and could be detrimental to dps since you won’t be able to dps on the move with pulls without causing the tank grief.
Idk I was hoping for something that would alter synergies, playstyle, or reduce bloat. Like make lightning bolt/chain lightning cast crash lightning on the target, if they are feeling real frisky they could make Stormstrike cast it.
I’m praying they are doing some big talent reworks if this is the direction they are going. Currently this is just a great big “meh”. None of it’s bad, some of it’s good, but overall it’s just bland and uninspired. Considering Hero talents are one of the two major draws to TWW this does not sell me on playing it. Totemic doesn’t either, due to bloat and totem mechanics, so I guess it might be time to shelve my shaman if they don’t do some big reworks and quick iteration.
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The problem for Tempest on the storm: that would require them to press Lightning Bolt instead of SS. Storm completely ignores the toolkits and overcapping MSW to spam SS. Elementalist wants to spend MSW on Lightning Bolt / Chain Lightning / Elemental Blast when they get 8 or more MSW stacks and elementalist are swimming in MSW.
Right now, the Stormbringer hero tree interacts more with elementalist than it would for storm. Stormbringer hero tree won’t fix the current storm and it’s DoA if they don’t do anything with current storm build.
That’s the only thing that caught my eyes. This is getting beyond ridiculous. I was truly hoping storm bringer to bring us some uncapped AOE abilities but I am so wrong. Shamans need uncapped AOE, period. For some freaking reason ret pally get to spam wake of ashes that strikes up to 14 yards with a single key every 30 seconds whereas enhance is working with one of the most complicated melee rotations and and only get to hit 6 targets. What’s even more ridiculous is that for a spec that’s only able to hit 6 targets we are easily out damaged by the tier-1 classes for 5~6 target AOEs. Like seriously what’s the role that designers want shaman to play under AOE environments? They might as well just delete or ban this spec from M+
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Hey look at any S2 log and see how many times Lightning Bolt is pressed, literally just under Stormstrike, Elemental blast too, but I think it’s great if both builds have a home here, personally while it is hard to gauge as it’s not even on Alpha, Totemic introducing another keybind is DoA for me if it’s true, won’t even go near there if that’s what they do….
So hell yeah let TWW be the expansion of the Stormbringer for all Shamans!
Both builds bringing the Storm!.
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I love the enthusiasm, but keep in mind that if Stormbringer is just as good for the fire build as it is for the storm build that really isn’t good news for storm.
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Well we do still need to see spec and class tree adjustments, I feel like the Hero specs are one piece of this puzzle, but at least from face value it’s looking decent.
Like I’ve mentioned while everything is currently only datamined and incomplete, it more so shows the direction which I think is very important.
Shaman as a whole still needs a lot of work, but I have hope, every tree is getting changed and some dramatically, Affliction Warlock and Arcane Mage are essentially day and night now going into TWW.
I’m not expecting huge changes for Enhance, but I’m expecting some adjustments to talents that now are literally never picked regardless of content due to the popularity of the Elementalist Build.
It’s safe to say either certain skills will be getting adjusted or maybe removed/replaced, Doomwinds, Sundering and Ascendance are probably definitely on the to look at list, and definitely could even condense 8 talents for Lava Lash into fewer nodes for similar effect opening more tree choices.
I think personally changes are needed, but looking strictly purely at just datamined data, Stormbringer… “thus far” not introducing another keybind/ability is an instant win for me.
Hey, even if the Storm Build isn’t as competitive I’ll be that one person putting in the hard yards to compete 
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On my mother PLEASE!
Templars verdict doing holy damage but stormstrike still physical in the year 2024 the year our lord.
But this is bad. This would be a bad thing. It would mean that we have an entire hero tree that’s worthless to Enhancement, thereby shoehorning every player of the spec into the same non-choice.
Literally the only things Storm likes more than Elementalist are physical damage and DRE. Anything that isn’t based in those is going to favor Elementalist over Storm.
It is truly absurd that hybridized Nature/Physical damage is called “Stormstrike” damage, and the spell that is literally named that doesn’t do it.
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From what I’ve heard it will be a 10% Dr and a 3% haste per stack
Lot of information is missing but depending on few thing this could swing really hard in favor for storm or elementalist. The main decider will be if Tempest replacing Lightning Bolt still interacts with Pwave/Splintered Elements and works the same way.
I am not a fan of this because this is giving me festermight vibes which has a lot more headaches than benefits.
After thinking about the data mining some more, this one concerns me. Not only is this not going to be up all the time, but there is also going to be a lot of unavoidable damage that technically isn’t credited to a specific mob. Not to mention getting 3rd party’ed in pvp.
I really hope this isn’t their solution to our survivability problems.
Ooh I didn’t think about that. Building up to proc tempest and then prim wave into 6 Tempests. Part of me wants to do it, and part of me doesn’t want more crap to have to keep track of.
To be fair they are changing Festermight to overlap like stacks of Ironfur. I think its safe to assume this would do the same.
The thing is that I think Totemic would still be better in M+/Cleave given you can plan around it, especially like a fight like Igira or Larodar where there are adds but they are up for only a short amount of time.
If it’s a single-target fight then you wouldn’t need to track it as much. The MSW spending triggering tempest also seems odd given Storm current design; should you get good RNG on SS resets, you’re most likely not going to be spending as much MSW so its power is again stuck into DRE procs since in an ideal world, the only time you would want to spend MSW is when it’s getting dumpped during DRE procs. Whereas now provided you have a healthy amount of haste you can easily go through 25 MSW in a single Wolves + Pwave window even on a single target as Elementalist, and with another haste amp you’re more than likely to get another wolves cast before the tempest haste buff wears off.
I do like though regardless if its better for Storm or Elementalist, its playing into the sustained damage profile we have.
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100% a typo, 60% haste would be way too strong for a hero spec.
Those are commas, not periods. They’re just placeholders. Adelaide was making a joke.
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There’s a lot still up in the air really, that’s why I’m sort of thinking class/spec changes/adjustments are going to happen.
How does DRE + Static Accumulation + Thorim’s Invocation interaction with Tempest, every few procs of Lightning Bolt would essentially be Tempest, which could go either way, Might insanely great for Storm build and visually glorious. Considering Tempest gives Nature Wolf (I’m assuming has an internal cd), plus haste and other benefits/Damage.
Like if it does work together, to me I think this be insanely awesome especially for the Storm Build, this is how I’m assuming Storm Build is going to gets its edge on Elementalist Build, it designed to proc Tempest like no tomorrow, While Totemic involving Lava Lash and Fire Nova is more for the Elementalist build to get Spire Totems and Searing Totems more quicker.
In saying that both trees were datamined pretty much incomplete, so we really don’t know. I can hope and dream all I want in reality it may end up completely different.
But it’s really hard to say anything until we see the full Hero Tree and updated Spec Tree. Right now it’s all assumptions really. But at least we know the core idea of both trees.
A lot of people say let them cook, but let’s hope the wait was worth a full 3 course meal, considering theirs only 3 Hero Trees left to be in Alpha hopefully it was well worth the delay.