First thing that came to mind for Ele was does Lightning rod stack for Elem. Like does it apply at a 40% rate instead of 20%?
Itās unknown, blue post says itās currently not implemented.
- The Conductive Energy talent is currently marked NYI and is not functional
Iām not convinced yet that this Stormbringer is actually better for Storm than it is for Elementalist.
Donāt get me wrong. Itāsā¦ awkward, at best, for Elementalist, as it consolidates a ton of power into just the Nature element at the expense of doing nothing for Frost and Fire. But even so, Elementalist still scales better with Nature damage than Storm does, to say nothing of the disgusting AoE burst that a Primordial Wave-cast Tempest could inflict.
The only thing that looks like it could push Storm ahead of Elementalist here is Awakening Storms can trigger off Stormstrike, but Elementalist still casts Stormstrike, too. If this effect is PPM, Storm even loses that advantage.
I think itās great both builds will enjoy and play it, but seeing everyone play DRE again and free sending Tempest and in AoE it spams chain Lightning like a god with the 3 free procs. Iām happy though currently DRE is back as a choice.
Iām actually excited that the Elementalist and Storm build are both going to see great viability. Tuning of course aside.
Now we just need a home run with Totemic!.
Also Iām pretty sure in Alpha this interaction isnāt happening. But could be not implemented yet or a bug, from what Iāve seen. It could be from it only interacting with Lightning Bolt in a coding as Tempest is a different skill?. So hopefully a blue clears this up.
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Storm still wonāt see viability precisely because of DRE.
Stormās current weakness isnāt a tuning issue, itās an unreliability issue that is entirely based in DRE taking your damage profile completely out of your hands.
We we still have to see class and spec trees adjustments, but from Alpha currently itās looking good, still needs more work but a solid foundation.
Also you are basing tempest working with primordial wave for Elementalist for its advantage and currently it doesnāt, might be intended or bug. So hopefully this gets cleared up.
Keep in mind that Thorimās should make Tempest hit 20% harder for a storm build, those 3 free chain lightnings will hit 20% harder for a storm build, static accumulation should let storm builds proc Tempest more often, storm builds use storm strike more, and storm builds donāt use elemental blast so 100% of their maelstrom goes into a lightning spell.
Iām not saying this wonāt work for an elementalist build, but its clearly designed with storm in mind. It will be interesting to see what the totemic tree has in store for the fire side.
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the s2 50s stormkeeper is stupid too.
imagine getting free stormkeeper that u cant control during RP and intermission.
They will probably nerf that trait into the ground in PvP like they did with tier set and weāll end up picking 3 MSW stacks for hitting one target because the chain lightnings wonāt be worth the global. The choices on that node arenāt remotely balanced against each other right now.
On top of that, if you pick 3 MSW stacks, you wonāt even be able to control hitting one target alot of the time because of the 8 yard AOE.
Iām also wondering how supercharge will work. If you get MSW refund from static accumulation and supercharge procs at the same time, I guess you just lose the supercharge effect since it overcaps? Unless itās a separate buff that can stack on top of regular MSW stacks?
I donāt believe it is PPM. I saw on youtube Dratnos showed it for Elemental. When he got the 3 free chainlightning after the first tempest he get tempest again within a few seconds. (all the overloads prolly helped though).
I hope they add in another interaction with Pwave, something like casting Pwave gains tempest. That alone would make Stormbringer insane for Elementalist.
The thing is though, the nature damage amp is vastly more beneficial for Elementalist. The other fly in the ointment is especially for M+ or raid fights with priority damage is that Storm is incredibly inflexible because of how Thorimās priming mechanic.
In some sick way I actually hope it doesnāt happen. Otherwise us Elementalists would be kind of forced into picking it. Im very interested in Totemic haha.
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See, that very interaction has so much more benefit for Elementalist than Storm. Taking that for M+ pretty much murders any single target potential you have on Bosses in M+ which has long been Storms/Doomwind centric builds: slightly better aoe at the cost of having unpredictable and subpar single target damage.
It could be a bug but it seem intentional, since Thorimās does work with Tempest. So I doubt it is a issue with reading Tempest as not LB. Could just be P-Wave though. It makes sense for it to be intentional though considering how out of control 5 Tempests stacked on each other would get.
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I dont fully agree with your assumptions here. While I do agree that DRE and Ascension are massive pain points, the massive generation of MSW puts this slightly in favor of a storm centric build. Storm is going to have Tempest up a lot more often, which means more wolves, more haste, more chain lightnings, and more DR from the Tempest debuff on enemies. Crash Lightning will most likely be taken with this tree as well, and while Elementalist could fit that in, it would be a very similar situation to Storm fitting p-wave in.
The 20% damage buff from Thorims is not tied to having DRE active, itās just a passive always active buff Storm has here. For Storm builds, nothing really changes much in the current build paths, itās just a straight buff. and massive increase to itās aoe potential. Elementalist still gets a lot of out this, but not as much as Storm. I am not saying itās going to make Storm Better then Elementalist in pve. But this does benefit Storm more.
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I also agree with what you are saying here. I think it will entice Storm PvErs to not run Overflowing Maelstrom. And constantly be sending 5 point spells. In PvP: Ride the Lightning will almost double the proc rate of tempest with the CL casts on 3+ targets when you SS.
I know people are talking about Tempest PPM. But I donāt believe thatās true. I have seen Youtube Videos (Dratnos for Ele and Tiqqle for Enhance) Generate Tempests Very quickly after spending one. Consistently.
Yeah - that was my hope when I saw that talent. Would be nice to see 5 MSW spending viable again.
5 cap spending could also help mitigate overcapping w/supercharge + static accumulation since you could benefit from both procs on your half-full spends.
Plus geting those 3 MSW refunded often gets you most of the way to your next spender with that style. Which really amps up the tempo.
I feel like in most scenarios the Chain Lightning talent is going to be picked more often except for in raids. Tempest is going to cleave a lot so the 3 msw return might not end up being reliable. Chain Lightning however becomes free, instant, fishes for more tempests, and does way more damage. In pvp, probably the better choice, and in M+ for sure the better choice.
Weāre talking about the other 3 MSW refund talent - Supercharge (35% chance to generate 3 MSW from LB/CL casts). Not Storm Swell (3 MSW from tempest hitting 1 target).
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