Storm Unleashed in PvP (4th Apex talent) - Feedback

Classes Shaman
1

Storm Unleashed doesn’t do much in PvP. The damage it deals is quite weak (8-9kish per hit with buffs up) and in order for the full damage to go off people need to be inside of the area for 2 seconds. The only reason to even take the 4th Apex talent as Enhance in PvP is for the AA speed increase to proc more Hot Hands if you are Totemic, the damage is completely irrelevant which is a bit sad.

It would be nice to see an honor talent for Crash Lightning that makes it a bit of a better button in PvP. Just to throw out an idea/example:

  • Crashing Thunder: “Crash Lightnings initial target damage increased by x%, and Storm Unleashed deals x% increased damage and now slows all enemies inside of the area by x%”. However, if an honor talent is not possible, then just buffing the 4th Apex talent and Crash Lightning itself to do more damage in PvP would be fine.

Enhance has no spec specific honor talents at all, and our only damage oriented honor talents are killable totems (not counting electrocute as it does no damage). It would be nice to have an honor talent that improves an ability we use frequently and Crash Lightning is perfect for that as it is a bit of a weak global in PVP at the moment.

Also, comparing this to a few other specs Apex talents shows how weak it is. Ret paladin has Light Within hitting for 20-35k+ on players, mind you this damage comes in the same global as Blade of Justice which is typically hitting for 10-17kish. All of the numbers I am listing are against equally geared players.

2

Agreed. Another way to look at it is enhance has a “free” talent point to spend elsewhere in the capstone. Stormbringer might be able to get the 15% haste on sundering plus the ascendance stuff this way.

But I agree apex talents should be desirable. Ground effects have never been great in PvP. An honor talent for crash lightning sounds cool though. There’s a lot they could do with it!

3

That is a good way to look at it yeah, but also they are designing our spec kinda around Crash Lightning. Its a pve focused thing but since it is such a big part of enhance now (and is no longer a skippable talent) they’ll also be tuning with it in mind.

Also the apex talent just looks cool. Has a great animation. I’d love for it to actually do something worthwhile in pvp, that goes for Crash Lightning in general. It does very little damage, like I said earlier 7-9kish, and then Unleashed Crash Lightning does that same damage over the course of 2 seconds if enemies stand in it for 2 seconds.

Theres plenty they could do. They could buff Crash Lightnings initial target damage which would also then buff the Unleashed Crash Lightning, or they could buff both, etc. But it definitely isn’t very strong especially when compared to other apex talents like rets.