Yet people talk about how in their groups they never actually talk or meet anyone or make friends, so they may as well not be humans. For efficiency’s sake, why even make it 5 humans if they’re not going to form a group, run to the dungeon together, or communicate? Why not just make it you and 4 AI in the other roles? Does it make a functional difference?
Nobody talks in the groups I form in the LFG tool either. Except it takes more time for me to build that group and travel to the dungeon so I am with your “4 bots” even longer. Congratulations. You’ve made no valid points.
That’s a great question to a question I didn’t ask.
You didn’t answer my question. Would you be opposed to a group with 4 AI in the role you didn’t choose?
Because your question is dumb and makes no sense. You’re building a strawman to burn because otherwise you have no valid argument.
It’s not a strawman, and it’s likely because you don’t want to answer it. You could simply say “no I don’t think that would be good for the game” and explain why if you don’t think it’s a good idea, yet you choose to avoid it altogether.
I made the claim it isn’t STRONGLY encouraged. This is another reading comprehension issue on your end. I know, it’s “semantics” to you, but sorry, language is NOT something you just throw around willy nilly. It’s deliberate and specific. If soloplay and introvertedness were strongly encouraged in OSRS, then there wouldn’t be as many benefits to group up with players as there are in OSRS. This isn’t even getting into the MANY benefits of not just grouping up with players, but being extroverted and simply interacting with players.
This is what you continuously fail to understand, Confidence. Your failure to see the nuance in this keeps tripping you up.
I don’t have to point to specifics, you, wonderfully I might add, have already proven it for me. This is why it’s generally advised that you know what you’re arguing before getting into these discussions. You’ve specifically shied away from making absolute statements because you yourself know that grouping absolutely is encouraged in OSRS. You’ve already proven my argument right, what more is there for me to do?
Here it is again, so which is it, is it encouraged or not? You keep going back and forth on this.
So it’s not? Great, glad we cleared that up.
There’s no change Condifence. Just your failure to keep up. I made two different claims. Do you know what they are? I’ve already asked you this once and you’ve failed to answer.
Extroversion is encouraged in MMOs.
Introversion is not STRONGLY encouraged in MMOs.
Do you think these two statements are mutually exclusive? Do you not see how we can say them both at the same time?
No it isn’t, if you’ve played even of modicum of OSRS, which, judging by this conversation, you haven’t.
Great! You’ve demonstrated something that no one is arguing against. Now can you demonstrate it STRONGLY encourages introversion? That’s what you’ve failed to do for many posts now.
And what may these benefits be?
Either both solo and group play is encouraged in OSRS, or neither is. (solo is more)
To say that OSRS encourages group play and to ignore the fact that it much more strongly encourages solo play than it does group play is disingenuous when talking about introversion in MMOs.
It would be akin to saying that “WoW encourages solo play” when making the claim “MMOs encourage introversion.” Sure, you CAN level a million alts, you CAN farm herbs all day, you CAN try to complete every quest in Eastern Kingdoms, but when you look at the content as a whole and the endgame as a whole, it is much more obvious that it encourages group play. It actually requires group play to participate in most end-game content and activities. So for me to say “WoW encourages introversion” as a defense for “MMOs encourage introversion” would be a totally disingenuous argument, given the fact that WoW far encourages extroversion (in a manner beyond how OSRS encourages introversion).
WoW promotes extroversion over introversion to an extreme.
OSRS promotes introversion over extroversion by a fairly large margin, but not to the margin of WoW in the reverse direction.
Unless you’d accept me saying “WoW encourages introversion” as a defense for “MMOs encourage introversion” (and thus strangely screwing with your anti-RDF position we share), then there are no logical grounds for me to accept “OSRS encourages extroversion” IN THE CONTEXT OF A DEFENSE for the statement “MMOs encourage extroversion.”
lol… spoken like someone who never played pre-RDF.
RDF… most definitely… 100%… made people to be more toxic in dungeons
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Yes it was.
/endthread
Absolutely agree.
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Trade for one, chat, friends list, etc. This all encourages you to play with others and to be extroverted. What are you not getting? Do you simply not understand anything about the MMORPG genre? Is that it?
Here you are, yet again, going back on one of your previous arguments.
So again, which is it? It can’t be all of these at the same time. Can you please keep up with your own argument?
Another shortcoming of yours in this discussion is that you’re fixated on end-game and very specific pieces of content. You’re not looking at the game as a whole, which includes stuff like friends lists, chat, grouping, etc. All of that is a deciding factor in whether or not a game encourages extroversion or introversion.
It does, to some extent. Not to an extent where I’d argue it “strongly” encourages introversion, which is the point that you keep failing to comprehend. Are you actually reading anything or are you just spewing out whatever you can?
Give me an instance where you “group.”
How do you invite one to your group?
Group bosses, raids, minigames, etc.
Join the same world and meet at a specific location. I mean… I’ll take this as your concession that you don’t play OSRS and that you’ve never played it.
To you, you are a minority… the rest of us do not care about you, or what you think about us… literally the minority.
This is not a counter argument… you are literally a POS or you are not a POS… POS’s don’t sit around waiting for the chance to be a POS… use your head buddy… new to the internet?
Uh no it wasn’t… LFR, Watered down classes, Every body can be everything, endless dailies… boring content.
Not easily formed dungeon groups… lol.
I can conclude you’ve played to a small extent, at least. Or at least can Google.
That’s not how you join a group for a raid, tho. So I can conclude you’ve never gotten very far.
And using a friends list and chat as prime examples of the “many benefits” shows how hard you grasped for group benefits lmao.
It’s primarily a solo game. Add in the fact it’s extremely skill based (not skill as in “adequacy”), much more so than WoW.
MMOs encourage introversion and WoW is a good example.
And I’ve concluded you don’t play at all if you had to ask me those questions.
Good thing I wasn’t talking about raids.
Having friends to talk to and play with isn’t beneficial to you?
It primarily isn’t, as you’ve failed to demonstrate. Saying it until you’re blue in the face isn’t going to be convincing. You may need to actually pose a logical argument to convince others. Especially if you want to convince me.
That’s charming.
To some extent, sure? Not strongly though, which you’ve already answered for me here:
Are you having an offday Confidence?
It was a qualifier, bozo. Judging by your awfully vague responses, it had appeared as if you’d never played if you thought you were actually forming “groups” like in wow. Now I can see you’ve played, only in a limited way.
Sure it was. It’s only convenient that it just came after dozens of posts from you displaying your lack of knowledge on the subject.
However limited you think I’ve played, it’s still more than you.
Translation: There are no arguments that I’m prepared to agree with so please stop having an opinion that’s different than mine.
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Because whatever Bloomsday wants or says, is. Because you have a strange obsession with being expert wherever you are. Because it is in no way possible I have more experience in OSRS than you.
You run many businesses and make millions and millions of dollars from them. I am a co-owner of one small business and do not make close to millions of dollars. You are an R1 gladiator. I’ve played at 2250 MMR at two different points in my life and have never gotten 2100 rating. You are apparently Scarab Lord. I never completed ICC when it was current content.
I’m impressed by your resume, Bloomsday, and that should be enough on its own. But no, you insist that you are somehow more knowledgeable at OSRS, too, and that you’ve certainly played more than me. Let’s look through this thread and see what you’ve referenced in regards to it: “grouping”, “trade,” “friends lists”, “chat”, then when pressed: “group bosses” “mini games” and “raids”
Meanwhile I referenced Corp, fight caves, the inferno, TOA, chambers, details of loot systems you seemed to know nothing about, ironman, and the fact most things can be taken on solo or in a group.
People reading can decide for themselves who knows more about RuneScape—I have a feeling it won’t be the guy who said “friends lists”
Sorry:
Multi-millionaire
Forum god
R1 glad
Scarab Lord
Supreme logician
And now we must add:
OSRS Highscores - Rank 1 “friends list” KC 2350
I bet you also have all the Shiny Pokemon
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The irony and to some extent entitlement of people posting:
“well you can have this only if this is changed, otherwise no”
Nobody can offer anything to anyone about RDF or its attached features outside of blizzard.
“RDF compromise thread #42069” Is legit a waste of the posters time and a giant exercise in flexing ego.