Stop talking about scaling. It's a bandaid fix

[Exalter-malganis (Exalter)]

@Razzia-nesingwary

This gearing system is not friendly to ranked players who want to play alts.

This. I have 2100 gear on my main, but still constantly complain about the gearing system. I want to play alts with a low barrier to entry to PvP. The current system is just bad for everyone except the small minority of players who are experiencing success for the first time in PvP and are excited to go into a BG and destroy everyone. Certainly not a good experience for everyone else and that person will soon get bored of it.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

BlizZard doesn’t have the resources to fix the gear so scaling is the band aid fix for lower level geared players.

In the next expansion if they want a gear ranking system ala WoTLK they need to do it correctly.

Or if they want to go back to a WoD gearing system with green, blue low epic and high epic PVP gear sets they can do that to.

Right now the current gearing system of systmelands is just taking the downsides from various PVP gear systems from the past without many of the positives.

[Gedpriest-queldorei]

@Snowcrest-cenarius

Never mind, I can see what you’re doing. You argue for the sake of arguing and that’s just childish. I’ll leave you…to it.

Buddy Nawat is one of the most reasonable forum posters on here and has been for many many years

Your argument just sucks

[Nawat-emerald-dream (Nawat)]

@Gedpriest-queldorei

Nawat is one of the most reasonable forum posters on here and has been for many many years

Too many years… But I can get pretty worked up sometimes so the reasonable factor could be questionable. Good ol’ days of jugga and me taking over threads

[Snowcrest-cenarius]

Past expansions had more straightforward systems and they worked. Nowadays it’s like they throw darts on a board and see where they land.

[Kaztya-lightbringer]

@Soulbleeder-illidan

ranking is fine. its perfect. why should a person who spends a lot of time achieving high rank have the same gear as a guy who just grinds bgs? and yes i can use the pve as an example. A guy who just spams dungeons should not have the same gear as a person who runs raids. but thats what people want in pvp.

and when you get into the higher pvp brackets it is about skill and not gear because everyone has the same gear.

Because you are right, PvP is about SKILL and not GEAR. So if you start a season late because of something that happens IRL, you don’t want to be killed by some idiot because he used his wallet to pay for carries into 2k to get gear, and you get stuck in a bracket you don’t belong in for much longer than you should be, you’d probably get pretty pissed. The people who are at high rankings don’t give a crap about gear in the slightest, they care about getting their ranking higher, if gear didn’t exist they’d still play PvP. If you add scaling into the mix (more so like WoD) you’ll see more people at their proper rankings, a 3k is still gonna have 3k still with or without idiots in good gear, a 1k is still gonna be a 1k no matter how much ilvl you throw on.

Going onto your PvE comparison to PvP, it’s just bad in general, no one is competing in a dungeon. You don’t fight anyone other than a NPC which isn’t gonna care whether or not you 1 shot it. It dies you get loot, that’s the extent of PvE. PvP is if you lose, you get nothing (or worse rewards) and both sides theoretically should have an even chance, whether it’s BG’s RBG’s Arena’s.

@Soulbleeder-illidan

everyone is always saying “its because the guys at the high ranking want to run around and blow up the little guys in bgs” i dont know a single player at 2k+ that does that.

Now maybe you don’t know a ton of people who are 2k+ but back when I really wanted to get into PvP during legion, I knew a lot, and that is utter BS. I only ever got to 1.7k (not really high, low average for those who don’t know) but I hung out with a 3k rogue, 2.7k hunter, and a 2k mage (and myself a monk) on Tichondrius (the main PvP server at the time) and we’d make groups to do just that. It wasn’t exclusive to just my friends either, you could walk up to pretty much anyone, and as long as they weren’t grinding rating (or disliked you) they’d almost always be down.

All in all from this post, what I can gleam is, “I got killed by a person with less gear than me because of scaling, and that’s not fair!” Yea it sucks that you spent time gearing out, but if the guy legitimately beat you with skill, sorry man better luck on your next game. If you want a real fix tell blizzard to add in gear that only works in bg’s, if you want rewards for being high ranked, add special mounts… oh wait those are both in the game!

[Poraha-moon-guard]

@Razzia-nesingwary

Maybe it is mostly unrated players complaining

Nah, most of them just quit.

[Soulbleeder-illidan]

so pvp players cant use pvp gear outside of pvp? but pve can use pve in pvp?

[Graendoll-emerald-dream]

PVe gear progression has no place in PVP.

keep them real separate so they can both thrive.

30 ilvl nerf in WoD was perfect, because pvp gear took very little time to get, so who cares if it was not that great in PVE? If you like doingPVE, you will get gear from doing PVE.

In this most horrid iteration of gearing:

@Soulbleeder-illidan

Just let gear be gear. Loot be loot.

We have to have PVP gear be a long stupid grind and be gated by time, and ranking both, just for the sake of not ruining the PVE gear progression.

Stupid and unfun change imo.

Bring back WoD gearing in full.