I don’t understand your argument here.
You said you want easier content, and there exists a normal mode which matches your expectation for difficulty. Then you claimed you don’t want it after the first few weeks. Isn’t it natural at that point to start doing heroic? which will be effectively easier with your upgraded gears from normal FL.
I wondered if they implement a heroic+ mode to this game, will people stop playing because they added a brand new mode to an old game?
Firelands was nerfed 4 times since its release as blizzard posted. They reverted the 4th nerf to the 3rd and even removed multiple mechanics from bosses like bethilacs mind control ragnaros magma geyser… They arent catering to sweaty player they are catering to the majority of their raiders still playing the game before it dies, they are balancing it and nerfing it, just not to your expectations.
The Irony that your in aguild called strategy tho and people killed the pre nerf versions on a buggier/outdated game. It is hard, it wont be after a few weeks of gearing however.
Enrage timers practically dont exist in cata besides baleroc, add an extra healer STRATEGIZE. 
And retailers can’t be blamed. they’ve move on to Nzoth, mr nipples. Hell even the platform boss in Sylvanas. She wasn’t so bad. It was the 25% (at least ) loss to the platforms.
Yes. Some raiders are at least consistent.
They hated both LFR AND Mythic. Mythic created the now real deal chest beating moment to the game. 75% of the game cleared heroic. all saying they are the man/woman.
Okay…whats your mythic boss stats. To now be the man/woman, one needed at least a 3/9. Give us 1 wing at least to rate a golf clap kind of thing.
Who cares about the raids guys, my grocery store has Chunky soups for sale this week for $1/each, how many am I buying?
I’m thinking of getting 100 of them, thoughts?
why do you have to care about others who beat the heroic+ mode?
If this everything else stayed the same, including the difficulty and reward from heroic, why would you care about that niche 1% who got themselves the extra enjoyment and pat on your back? is it too hard to ignore them and let them have their fun?
I will enjoy if they add another superior supreme mode while leaving everything else the same, ofc with some better loots (maybe only powerful in that specific mode). That will keep me online for longer since heroic rag is just first wing mythic difficulty.
I actually don’t care either way.
The point was mythic came to be to be the final yes “you rock” level of play. For those that do care. I don’t. Heroic plus I’d be fine with too.
See my take here is raiders need to be happy with they can do. If its normal…well enjoy that. Or heroic, etc.
See I’ve found “I rock” based on raid an odd chest beater. 9/24 or other people were there too. and if they fail, you fail.
Its an eve bias. Some of our pve is team based. When I was in wormhole crews…you are only as good as the dudes in the crew.
Braindeads get you killed. I didn’t work that C5 alone. I didn’t die because the other dudes in that setup were also good. they didn’t die because I was good.
The real truth is most of the challenging nobs they turned will diminish really fast with a few clears anyway. It essentially only affects like the first 1-3 weeks of raiding depending on how much you can kill and how drops work out for a raid group. You are going to pick up stuff with valor, you are going to make some crafts, you are going to clear a few bosses on heroic and/or normal, and you will get a big ring from rep. Suddenly a little more health on the boss and a few things hitting a little harder are going to go away really really fast.
Almost feels like what they do for the race in retail. They are just bumping it so it won’t take the top guilds 45 mins to an hour to clear it and instead take them an hour to an hour and 15 minutes. A few more guilds will only kill 4-5 bosses instead of 6 or 7. That is really all that is being accomplished by this. Yes, you will have the grandpas that won’t be able to do much if any at all but that was going to be the case either way.
nobody enjoys raiding with grandpas and grandmas. From time to time I have yet to met a progression guild that welcomes them.
Like you said challenge diminish real fast with how people pick up a few piece of gears from valor/rep/norm etc, some people still insist on nerfing heroic raids from original so they can clear them on day1 and quit the game. Blizzard will not do that.
WoW was created as a casual’s MMO. WoW only declined after they stopped making it for casuals.
Lol thats why only 1% of the player base in Vanilla cleared 40 naxx?
World of Warcraft began to decline at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion when the focus shifted to casual players, not when it ceased. Presently, the game is laden with catch-up mechanics aimed at casual players and has a smaller player base than during its peak from Vanilla through Wrath of the Lich King, which boasted over 10 million players.
Catch up mechanics only help bring people who have stopped raiding or trying to start raiding mid expansion. It rarely helps those that can’t get through content.
If anything Wotlk decision to focus on hm to cater to sweatiest killed the game, rather than making content everyone can enjoy.
It’s a matter of personal choice; they have the same options as everyone else. There’s a clear path to becoming “raid-ready”. People shouldn’t be treated differently if they decide to stop playing, nor should they be rewarded for it.
This mentality encourages players to think, “I can quit now and get loot later when it’s easier, so why bother now?”
Consequently, these players gear up and then quit, only to return and repeat the cycle. This cycle of rewarding players for leaving and returning has contributed to the decline of WoW.
This is such a hot take. They aren’t catering to the “sweatiest guilds”… They are literally just re-releasing classic as it was 14 years ago. And even that’s a stretch because they are still taking out some mechanics that made the fights harder. Stop crying because the game naturally got to a point it got harder. No need to punish the raiders that want to see the game as close to as it initially launched as possible. You can always do normal modes to still see the fights.
It’s obvious at this point they don’t give AF what the average classic player wants. Putting the bare minimum into the panda waiting room.
They’ll cater to the people who want to clear the HMs twice then raid log until phase 4, because they know the people who struggle will bang their heads against the wall for at least several weeks after the sweaties are done.
Meanwhile, 28 days of Molten Front dailies gets you a Flameward Hippogryph that does the swim animation when flying…
How about tree fiddy
There is only 3 phases for cata where did you get a 4th phase?
Phase 1 BWL, BoT and ToTFW with Arena Season 9
Phase 2 Firelands/ Season 10
Phase 3 Dragon soul/ Season 11
Suck it up, cupcake. You’re already getting LFR to see everything the raid has to offer. Let those who want to push themselves have something to brag about. You’re the problem with modern WoW.
Did Blizzard actually confirm the release of LFR? I recall in an interview they mentioned it was unlikely they would release LFR.
Since they lean heavily to maintenance mode…I’d see it last MoP raid since shrug…effort. Like the last time. Replay the backup code and done.
If we got WoD It have to be there. as not having it would be even more, shrug, effort. that was built with it in it. Rewards would have to shift somewhere.
Legion would not function well without it. Removing that is lots of work.
Order halls would just die real fast. And it be the order halls that, to me, were one of their better content drought solutions.
as the rewards would not equal out to what was needed for order halls normal or higher raid.
LFR made order halls tolerable for alts. Alts are not mains. ergo you should not need to have 5 alts BIS for normal raid to see 5 order hall stories.
Monks especially. they got a story so bad it makes priest hall look good. I did not like priest order story so that is a bad thing.