Oh dear…
Not the UK my friend. You’re wrong on most counts.
The only “changes” will be those that occurred 15 years ago in the Vanilla progression up to Naxx. And boy, are we going to discuss this during the next phase/s.
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Oh no dude, he is claiming much more than that. Read the post two posts above this one.
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YES! Absolutely 100% this right here. Agreed.
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“balance” has nothing to do with class identity.
You guys are to stuck on homogenized class design, that you quake at the fear of any changes to classes, but the issue is that cannot happen in classic as long as blizzard does not introduce cyclical design.
So in short, unless blizzard negates from their “true to classic experience feel” attitude, you will never have to worry about this and can freely allow class changes.
It is intellect, teleport, creating food, the spells sound and visuals, all rolled together that makes mage a mage. Warlock cannot meteor for example, which means they are unique in that aspect.
The issue we are addressing here with retail design concepts is that classes can be changed to be good at for example aoe, while mage is recognized to be the aoe king.
if we for example changed flame strike to cast faster or deal more damage, does that mean we some how made mage like every other class? The answer is no. all that was done was validate it as an option.
No Noori, what that would do is open Ion’s “Pandora’s box”. That you don’t seem to understand or acknowledge that is not only weirdly disconnected from everything the devs have said on this, it actually makes you a pretty lousy (alleged) designer.
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Ugh, no…
I do not trust these devs any further than I can throw them. I would rather have a deeply flawed but enjoyable experience over their “improved” but neutered experience. Look no further than Retail for an example of what I am talking about.
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QFT
Exactly!
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If anyone thinks classes won’t see balance changes. Ask a Magician how they feel about Mitigation of the Mighty and Mark of the Old Ways.
Again, the only “balance” they will see is what they were given in Vanilla. This is Classic, not Retail. I know it’s a difficult paradigm shift when you’re used to getting what you want if you tantrum and agitate loudly enough, but…
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I know this wont be well received but one of the main reasons for the hybrid tax is PvP. Any buff to damage for ret pallies, feral cat druids and enhancmenet shamans would make them broken AF in PvP. It does suck that because of that they are all bottom barrel raid dps but such is life.
Classic can be a bit harsh with experimentation. PvP has plenty of interesting specs for most, if not all, classes. The problem is most of those are terrible for raiding. Adding to this is respec costs which can be quite expensive if you respec frequently
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Exactly.
PvP balance is better than some snowflake who wants to be pretend to be a mage while playing a shaman and do “good raid dps”.
Raids should not dictate the entire games design. You have retail if you want that game. Classic is a sandbox open world PvP game,
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Both classic and retail have warcraftlogs.com parses.
So, at least for raid balance, dont take anyones word for it and look for yourself.
Good God man are you crazy? WoW was always PvE first, with PvP added on. You PvP nuts have always been toxic and entitled but this is the first time I’ve seen anyone try to flip the narrative quite so hard!
going to need a source on this. legit source from blizzard. not just you saying they said this.
because that is the experience with balance lately is it not? and blizzard even told us in an interview that if they were to do balance changes, what we would get is retail design and balance. no thanks to that.
again - blizzard said if they were to do balance today, we would get retail balance and design, so that fear of homogenization? it’s very accurate.
blizzards only words on balance is this right here - where they literally say, if you want balance, go play retail. so unless you have a legit source from blizzard, saying they are balancing classes, why should anyone trust or believe you? because of your unsubstantiated claims? because of your claim to talk to the devs? also unsubstantiated? because of your claim to be a beta tester? also unsubstantiated? because of your claim balance is coming? also unsubstantiated?
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One class sits above all others by a large amount. We don’t want everything the same, just no more god mage.
In my opinion every class doing the same amount of damage doesn’t constitute balance.
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Fair, but you feel some classes doing x3 another class is ok?
What in your mind does constitute balance?
For classic, for me, i use 5 catagories.
Leveling
dungeons
raids
World pvp
battlegrounds
For the record I dont want any changes to classic.
Fury warriors?
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this is classic wow ther is no fixing of any class even tho they nerfed warrior threat gen but there id no fixing of classes for classic wow.
#nochanges
You scrubs always complain about power word shield. In retail and in classic lmao.
Not even true. Priest is the easiest if anything.
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