Yep, that happens almost every time we start talking about ideas for a Wow 2 with classic style gameplay. Someone comes into the thread and starts screaming about no changes when we’re not even talking about the classic time capsule. It’s starting to get irritating.
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Retail is long since gone and there’s no salvaging it.
Besides all the dubious design choices, the model of expansions obsoleting previous content and the endless power creep simply aren’t good for the genre.
It would be nice to see vanilla developed further, without increasing the level caps and adding completely vertical progression, but it won’t happen.
Blizzard also isn’t capable of creating anything sensible anymore so the chances of seeing WoW2 are nil.
Likewise, the MMORPG genre is basically dead at this point as it kept getting sabotaged over and over, so all the MMO and RPG elements were removed.
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History is full of your diatribes
- Vanilla servers won’t happen
- Trump will never win
- Hizler won’t invade Poland
- In 1900, they said all technology was made and no further advancements were possible
Give it a rest. Blizzard likes players voicing their opinions. In fact, based on this experience of vanilla servers, they probably like to see how players react when they declare something as done. If they accept it, then they are doing a good job. If they want changes, they aren’t.
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I agree and disagree.
Agree that they should do away with the obliterating mobs solo “I’m a beast let me fight 20 of you” thing we can do in retail. It just promotes being anti social at the end of the day and waters down the questing experience, perhaps a shift away from aoe meta and a more skill oriented meta would also be healthy and good for the game at large. Most of all changes should go toward making the game more social and less destroying of the world and irrelevancy of 90% of Azeroth prompting a “this is dead content gotta go fast” mentality.
Disagree that classic+ is a bad thing. I believe at the end of the day they need to decide which version to foster more and improve upon, either revive retail with very new methods and rid us of the cancer of titan forging, or focus on adding content not seen before with a spin on classic similar to how old school RuneScape has handled their own title.
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No, you’re actively trying to change something we JUST got and worked for years to get while also trying to split the player base even further. You give it a rest. It is a fact. You will not get classic+. Why? Because BC is classic+. They don’t do that for retail… they release the next expansion. Deal with it.
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Stop telling me how to live my life?
There are many different ideas for classic plus, but from my deduction I can see people want to keep the core vanilla game with some changes. Like the idea of shamans only on horde and paladins on Alliance. That’s a core aspect. It wouldn’t be the same as BC etc
It isn’t, expansions obsolete the previous content, + means there are additions.
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And this is why Classic was a bad idea.
Now everyone wants “their” version of what the perfect WoW should be. Some want classic with no changes. Some want classic+. Some want to see BC (both with and without changes), and soon folks will start pushing for a new wrath.
We simply can’t have Blizzard releasing half a dozen different variations of the same game!
Be happy we can take a stroll down memory lane with Classic…and that’s it.
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“I don’t like their designs in retail so let’s allow them to add their philosophies into classic”
and this is how ish ends up broken and bad.
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Classic+ wouldn’t affect you if it was on another server, if you wouldn’t like it then don’t play it. There, I fixed your problem.
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I don’t think the bean counters actually care why people are subbed to the game as long as they’re subbed to the game. About the only difference is that retail players are involved in the micro transaction model, but if it’s ultimately shown to the bean counters that consistent/high subs is better than less subs with micro then they’ll defer to that.
This whole classic experiment Blizzard is doing is because the current retail model is failing and if classic (and probably TBC/WoTLK) has the ability to support itself to effectively show it was the more correct model to follow then I promise you it will impact the retail version one way or another. All these conversations are extremely premature though. We need to see where Classic is 6 months and a year from now. If the game dies out then the idea of classic + or TBC servers dies with it.
I am also pretty confident that Blizzard won’t be tweaking Classic any time soon anyways. They released Classic to replicate the Vanilla model as best as they could with what they had. They’re going to let it ride and see how it plays out if for no other reason than to observe how well the model actually does in 2019.
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Maybe they don’t like retail? Blizzard isn’t going to turn the next xpack into some vanilla wow clone. It’s going to be more or less the same game its been the past several years.
Classic doesn’t effect you either. You want changes, retail os there for you. There, fixed your problem.
You’re just not listening to what I have been saying. You seem to have your fingers in your ears screaming about no changes when I don’t even want to change the classic game. Did that register or nah?
You seem to not be listening to what the devs have been saying. They will not change Classic. You are asking for changes to Classic and it already happened. It’s called retail. You want WoW 2.0 essentially because to change classic would take a big overhaul. Either enjoy classic or don’t. Either way it’s staying as is.
Again, I. DO. NOT. WANT. TO. CHANGE. CLASSIC.
Do you understand? May I repeat this in another language so that you will comprehend?
You do. Classic+ is asking for things to be changed. How can anyone be this ignorant? “Hey, keep Classic! I don’t want changes. Buuuuut could you change X, Y, Z and make it Classic plus? Again, i fon’t want changes but these changes would be great!”. Herpderp
DUDE. I have explained several times now that it would have to be a new game on another server. How many times do I have to say it? I want to laugh, but I’m actually concerned about your comprehension ability.
There’s no way to roll back the P2W aspect of current WoW. Could you imagine the outcry retail players would raise with the eradication of Tokens on the in-game economy, or the existence of character boosts? The destruction of heirlooms, and either LFG or LFR?
A newer path for the game has to be established, from the ground up. A path that blocks that crap from the get-go, and maintains the spirit and overall design of Vanilla and TBC throughout the later expansions.
I’ve said so many times, but I’m completely down with J. Allen Brack’s initial consideration for “Pristine” servers, which omitted all I’ve mentioned, as well as sharding and a few other QoL additions that have help to dilute the retail version.
My perfect ideal for Classic+ would be:
-All of the expansions (admittedly, I like some things from them all)
-Totally Pristine (to block out tokens and all of the shortcuts)
-Classic’s depth in professions (convert all expansions in the Classic mentality)
-Classic’s depth in classes (redesign Monks, DKs, and DHs in the Classic mentality)
-Classic’s talent tree format
-Max level of 100 (I feel it’s a better limit for all the content included)
Of course, that’s just my opinion. I wish they’d open up dialogue on a design for a so-called Classic +, as they did for Classic a few years back. Devs combed that thread a few years back.
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