Retail is dead. All our favorite chars are dead or ruined.
Should never been flyingā¦ horde should never got paladin, and alliance should never got shamanā¦
retails sparkle fest, is in my opinion beyond repairā¦ and i hate what they did to the world, if i go into a dungeon in classic, it feels like its a place where people / monsters liveā¦ go into a dungeon in retail, and its run in circles and jump through hoops theme parkā¦ no thanks
not to mention the great reset every expansion, just keep things at 60, there is plenty of sets to add to create flavour, and make sure all hybrid classes also have sets, or tomes and books, to give people special talents like tranq shotā¦
Classic is far from perfect, but that imperfection is what makes it great, each class brings something uniqueā¦ and all classes cant do everything, every class dont have a heal etcā¦
but as said thats my opinion
So hereās a thing.
Iāve spent endless hours of Vanilla back then, and playing new expansions then going back to Classic makes me understand that 40% of Vanilla really had extreme inconveniences and errors that could have been fixed.
Classic + at least gives a room for other people who donāt want to suffer and still enjoy Classic gameplays. Why should only die-hard hardcore players and āi live in the old ageā enjoy Classic content by shouting #nochange and #noclassic+ ? Every gamers should have their vocal about something they wish to have, and telling players to go to retail doesnāt change anything because the design settings and quests are quite different from Classic to BFA. 60% of BFA canāt bring most old contents back. Because it was removed.
Oh and also, #RememberTheramoreIsle , #UnderCityExisted , #ReturnTeldrassil is a thing. So yes. Retail and Classic are quite extremely different now.
Have you not run WC or Uldaman? Hell most of them are huge mazes. How much more puzzle ya need? You just said it was needlessly hard. Now you want more puzzles? Lol.
There is. You turn in the dungeon quests that you traveled the world to collect and move on to the next dungeon or farm for specific gear pieces.
Only way to get stronger is keep working out. Be thankful there are quests to hide the fact that you are grinding mobs. Grind dungeons. Either way. Itās the same result. Slow incremental power gains.
Thatās an rpg in a nutshell.
That is why it was a niche audience before wow brought mmorpg into the mainstream. They are not for everyone. Nothing wrong with that.
Some of us enjoy it. Some donāt but donāt change classic any more than already has been.
They can and have. They sell character boosts in retail. Heirloom gear. XP potions and holidays. Know what. None of it feels rewarding like classic does. That slow meticulous grind.
This is what I wanted and so did many others. Get em to make Classic+, release classic TBC, fun realm, pristine servers. Whatever. But leave this classic that we have now as untouched as possible. They have changed enough.
That depends on your tastes. If itās that bad then donāt play it. One personās trash is anotherās treasure and thatās cool.
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That would be asking people to be reasonable and not demand more content from a game that came out a few weeks ago. That wont happen.
it worked for Runescape classic i donāt see why it couldnāt here
Because when you ask for for a rerelease of classic wow, a rerelease of tbc or a rerelease of whatever you know EXACTLY what you are getting if you played it back then or play on a private server.
With suggestions on changes we want to retail there is no way of know what suggestions Blizz will listen to, which ones they will ignore and we may even get changes we didnt ask for.
I can completely get behind this
This times a million. Unless the classic+ is completely separate in every way from the current classic servers then sure have fun with retail 2.0 that will suck just as hard.
This ^
Classic was created for the majority of people who wanted Classic back.
I love BC and WotLK but this is not those games. If you want to ask Blizz to create those servers one day, thatās one thing, but trying to change Classic into something it wasnāt means this isnāt the game for you
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I never said anyone will miss me. Saying this to me reveals your emotional attachment to this game more than it does mine. Projection - you would think people would miss you if you quit playing. Maybe they would though to be fair, I donāt know.
How?
Retail feels as though blizzard destroyed what it was.
Their mindset is to increase when it should be horizontal progression.
Itemization of gear.
Not multiple raids of the same raid.
Iād raid/dungeons is easy make said ilvl drop, if raid/dungeon is like heroic make said ilvl drop, and if raid/dungeon is like mythic difficulty make said ilvl drop.
You donāt have to make extremely more power or higher ilvl just slightly as in like vanilla with t1 to T2 it is not way way stronger just slightly stronger.
This would make all dungeons and raids viable. Meaning ppl will run it.
You donāt have to take away flying but add things as cd or fatigue something.
Attunements, no catch up(horizontal it would not need a catch up), no Ilvl scaling, no lvl scaling, no LFR unless itās like beyond easy raid for new ppl only gives greens, and more.
I mean 9.0 would have to have massively been revamped.
Rebuttal:
No, shut up.
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Iāve told everyone who wants Classic+ why itās not going to happen many many times overā¦so much so that I have a handy list made up to copy/paste so here you go:
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We donāt trust Blizzard to make Classic style content anymore because most of the devs who worked on and made Vanilla are GONE. The people at Blizzard have proven many times over that they canāt make GOOD content (anymore). They are also the SAME people who gave us the expansions that you are SO DESPERATE to avoid. Therefore, your logic and reasoning for wanting this from that same group of developers is flawed.
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There is NO WAY that Blizzard is going to devote TWO dev teams to work on both Classic and your hypothetical Classic+. The time/money/man hour costs would be too high to justify such a project when VERY FEW will ever even participate in it. A Blizzard server has the capacity to hold 10k+ people, and given the fact that those who post in and read threads here in the forums are a VERY small percentage of the player baseā¦The people who are in favor of Classic+ are even SMALLERā¦A percentage of a percentageā¦therefore, not even enough to AMOUNT to 10k
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I see countless people in favor of Classic+ touting OSRS as the greatest thing since sliced bread and that it should TOTALLY happen in WoW tooā¦There are plenty of reasons why this shouldnāt happen, but letās look at a couple of the obvious ones shall we?? The voting system on changes to OSRS is a HORRIBLE idea since even retail players could vote, which would screw it up for everyone all over again. Furthermore, many of the changes proposed to the OSRS community that were TURNED DOWN, the devs chose to disregard the voting results and put the changes in anyway. How do you propose to keep the same thing from happening to WoW?? How do you keep Flying/LFG/LFD/transmog etc. OUT of the game if they get voted in?? You are already opening the door for Classic+ to be turned into retail by doing so.
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Blizzard typically doesnāt do anything for game development unless there is profit to be made. For reasons I stated above on potentially having 2 dev teams working on the game with far fewer players interested in it as opposed to a Classic version of TBC/Wrath, they will go with the option that provides the most profit for the least effort. Expenditure on dev salaries, time, resources simply canāt be justified by going any other route BUT TBC/Wrath.
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If you were on board with the #nochanges crowd when Classic began itās inception, then itās VERY hypocritical of you to propose ANY changes to the game regardless as to whether or not it is kept separate from Classic. It is ALSO very hypocritical for you or anyone else in favor of Classic+ to deny TBC/Wrath from everyone else when retail people did the SAME thing regarding Classic in the Wall of NO threads in the old forums. You people are literally doing the exact same thing and are too blind to see it
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Your telling yourself story and your being short sighted.
Not sure if troll but classic and bfa are not for the same people. Some people enjoy the action mmo BUT I HATE BFA SO MUCH . For me BFA is the worse version of wow i could ever imagine. I dont even know why people play bfa
I dont get it. The only reason i wanna raid its because i wanna roam around and grief people. You can even turn off pvp. BFA is so bad I got kill once during WOD by a gnome i never saw that gnome ever again he was some ally in a mix of other server ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IS PERSONAL . I would rather be lv1 in classic forever than playing bfa.
Am pretty sure there plenty classic addict like me who hate bfa more than any game they could ever imagine.
Sorry? You seem unhappy with the features of this game. Iām suggesting that you find something else to play rather than changing what is presented here. You speak like this is still in development, itās not. This is a reboot of the original game and it will stay as is.
You can suggest until your fingers are numb from typing but there will be no change. What you see is what you get.
That no one will miss you is not based on my attachment to the game (of course I enjoy it) itās that many of us are weary of this endless drivel calling for changes that will never occur.
bad troll post, go back to aoe farming scarlet mobs lmao. Classic+ all the way.
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TBC/wrath babies need to leave, you people are cancer who just want classic turned into retail 2.0, classic+ is meant to be new content ENTIRELY oriented around classic, no new garbage introduced in expansions.
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Not if they do it like RS and make it so they ask the community what we want / donāt want. Then it wonāt be them screwing it up again.
On Topic, I would love to see 9.0 be a remaster of everything that came priorā¦ maybe a timewalking expac where we go through all the content and raid tiers from level 1ā¦ would love to see a flexible āchoose your periodā that not only set the content to a particular raid tier/expansion but also the talents and game systems too.
Raid everything locked at 1.12 talents, raid everything with 2.4.3 TBC era talents etc I think they need more horizontal less vertical content in wow.