Stop abusing LIMIT for bug testing Blizz

I have sympathy believe it or not for the situation Blizzard is in. If I worked on an encounter like that, I’d feel similar. So I completely understand and get that Blizzard doesn’t want a bad-kill.

But the problem here is, it’s not about what I think. It’s what players and people in general are going to think. Thus I think it’s better to have a bad kill, then to have there be a perception that you might be stacking the deck.

That was a big problem with the Ensidia mess and I don’t think anyone wants to see a repeat. To be sure, the way that Ensidia killed the Lich King was NOT intended. It was obvious and what happened to those individuals was completely deserved, because the error was completely obvious.

Yet while Paragon clearly killed the Lich King the right way, if the Quality Assurance team had done their job it might not of ever happened to start. I get that no one can be expected to find all bugs; but when we take a serious look at the state of the game at the present, is it not in a sense more of the same underlying problem?

To say the game is in very bad straits and buggier than it’s ever been, would be an major understatement. The fact that the Spirit Drinkers in Uldum are still broken at times, is a good example of this issue. The fact that Ythisens and so many others were let go; along with some people in Q.A. does not exactly make people sympathetic to the situation. It’s a vicious cycle to be sure.

That being said, I disagree with this person that you cited. It’s not that people are trying to **** on Blizzard. Rather it’s simply that people hold them to a certain ethical standard and take serious issue when those standards are not met. No sane individual ever wakes up like Krom from Dark Legacy and thinks: “How am I gonna stick it to Blizzard today?”

That sentiment just comes about because time and again a ridiculous decision gets made and people are left with a serious mental disconnect and wonder: “Where has common sense wandered off to in this newest matter?”

Another issue, is of course money. When one adds money into the matter such as what E-Sports does, it creates an entirely new layer of woes that frankly I’m glad I have nothing to do with, and never would want to have anything to do with.

Still. My point remains. If Blizzard doesn’t do things that give an appearance of being shady, most people won’t be looking to cast aspersions on them. Moreover there’s plenty of us here who would be the first to defend them in a scenario where it was clear Blizzard was getting a raw deal or being treated unfairly.

There’s a reason many of us are still here despite the state of the game, the story, and so on. It’s not because we’re out for a ‘Gotcha!’ moment on Blizzard. WE. LOVE. YOU. GUYS. We’re here because we love your game, your lore, and your product. We’re mystified by many of the changes as this isn’t the Blizzard we remember, but we hold out hope, perhaps naively; that you’ll remember your roots.

As someone who’s played Warcraft since the start, it’s painful sometimes to see things progressing as they have. My counsel to Blizzard remains this, and it’s born out of a desire to help them above all else.




Blizzard, as much as you can within reason; stay a neutral umpire. I’m sure you have already considered it, but remember the worst case scenario that could happen here. What happens if you despawn N’zoth because of bugs, and then 2 days later Method kills the boss and claims the World First instead of Limit because of the time they gained due to the interference?

By interfering in the process, it creates an untenable situation where had the company remained merely an independent observer there would of been no leg for anyone to accuse them of what some have above. Bugs happen. But at the same time, nothing can ever be perfect. It’s the human condition.

Let’s just move forward and see how we can make the game better in Shadowlands, eh?

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Raids need to be released globally at the same time for everyone. Next the team that pulls ahead is going to get stuck dealing with any bugs that Blizzard does not catch. So for guilds like Limit they need to get use too that idea that if they gain the lead like they have now!!! They will aslo be subject to any bugs that may exist and have to deal with them while guilds who are behind don’t.

Few posts in here are proving something Limits gm said to be true. That both Limit and Methods fan bases have their fair share of Morons.

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It’s sad to me that this was a problem and yet faction transferring to get bis gear during the last world first race was totally cool by Blizzard. Surely that can’t be the intended way to beat the boss, either.

(Iirc the guild that did that didn’t win the WF race, but regardless, it cheapened the competition).

Game needs more real beta testers and these WF races should be held on special servers with everyone having equal gear. I’m all for Blizzard being more of a referee in these things but stepping in here and now after all the other system-gaming that has gone on in the past makes me just shrug and go, “Okay, Blizzard.”

I watched your stream today. At first the black screen was just there, while watching the nothing in front of me, I noticed myself, while sitting there looking at my reflection I realized so many things. I never knew that a streamers channel could be so enlightening! Spent the next couple hours pondering many things I’d never considered… and that cats break physics… they’re a solid liquid jello furry ball of teeth and claws…

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One of these statements is inaccurate. They either killed the boss, or they didn’t.

There is no achievement for almost being the first in the world.

Well, I mean… technically there is. It’s called 2nd Place.

Lol. removing the second gate says hello.

You dont know what you are talking about. Just going by blue posts, I’m betting. Ensidia was about a certain blue not liking ensidia. Anyone who paid attention back then that wasnt a casual(I dont mean this negatively) knew it was BS from the moment it happened. But hey Paragon benefited from it so who cares.

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4.8% wipe!

“ The Plane of Time
2003-05-09 18:50:26 - Furor Planedefiler ​

You have 14 Days. If after that time the Plane is not properly tuned, I am deleting my characters, and cancelling all of my accounts. The rest of my guild will follow suit, as will several other guilds and people that play Everquest.

To be brief, I did not work my a$$ off, jumping through your idiotic hoops with my friends and guildmates, so I could go to a zone where only groups of 18 could enjoy the content. EVEN if past these initial moronic events I can finally get my entire guild in to raid with me, FCK YOU GUYS. Seriously, FCK YOU.

I cannot believe this… right now I’m just so pissed off. I am sitting here in the Plane of Time, and 3/4 of my guild is just sitting around while a group of 18 is repeatedly trying to beat one of the mini ring encounters. Don’t you people have ANY F*CKING DECENCY? SMEDLEY WHY DON’T YOU STOP COUNTING YOUR MONEY AND START ISSUING ORDERS?

The tragic irony of creating the ultimate cockblock encounter in the form of the Rathe which requires 80 people to defeat and then to limit encounters in the Plane of Time to 18.

14 Days… after that this site will change from the most popular EQ fan site on the internet to the most popular World of Warcraft fan site on the internet. I’m done playing ball with you useless f*ckers… it’s my turn.”

Ohhh the irony

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It’s funny seeing both sides try to logic around how the other side has an unfair advantage.

limit gets it!

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USA USA USA! Limit world first

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Yeah? Well that sort of claim or information is way above my pay-grade, and I am not getting into conspiracy theory. I honestly don’t care enough to need specifics like that. But at the same time, I do think that the best way for Blizzard to maintain the integrity of World First Races, is to not get involved in the first place unless it’s something that requires them to step in, like a bug which is causing a non-progression.

Also congrats LIMIT!

The issue wasn’t taking away the kill, the issue was the suspensions (imo). Tools have greatly improved since then and policies aren’t draconian in regards to punishment (for the most part). The Saronite Bomb issue was a very, very poor decision, and I think some Blizzard folks have expressed that (?; not sure).
Also----
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310293003484921857/675102459575664690/image0.jpg

(Yes, it’s fake.)

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I wasn’t in the hot-seat, and I didn’t have any skin in the game so I can’t say which way was the right way. I’d have to look at the context at the time, because history is such a fluid thing that if you don’t use the reasoning that was applied at the time, it can be easy to condemn an action after the fact as an outside observer.

While I appreciate your posts Cyou, I have to level that I am completely baffled by the rest of the response and what exactly it has to do with the discussion or the thread. I realize it’s fake, but I would submit that perhaps using any political figures, especially with how emotionally charged politics are right now for some players; it might not be the best of courses.

The Forums in many ways ought to be, the proverbial ‘edge of the water’. Basically a place where we put all of the chaos that is the real world aside to focus on a mutual love for World of Warcraft.

I dunno, I’ll close out with what Grumbles usually does.

:cookie:

Oh, the image had nothing to do with you – just the who Limit winning the tier. Apologies if it came off as an attack. :frowning:

I’m just happy someone else won this time Instead of Method again :nauseated_face::face_vomiting:

I’m more willing to believe this. Turns out previously unearthed bugs tend to reveal themselves when literally the first people on the the planet do the content. That would be an issue for anyone who made progress on the boss first. Be it Limit, Method, or any other guild.

EDIT: and just to tack something on at the end here about, “how can Blizzard allow the content to release with bugs…” speaking as someone who works in software design, there is no piece of software on the face of this earth that releases with no bugs. No matter how solid your QA, your consumers will always do something you never thought of. This is doubly true when your consumers are trying every single trick in the book to buy a few extra seconds or reliability in a fight. World first raiders fight in a very non-standard way and it’s basically impossible to account for everything they’ll do.

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It didn’t, but I just figure since Politics is such a charged subject these days; the best general rule on the forums seems to be to take the stance Blizzard outlined after that incident with the Hong Kong player earlier this year. Mainly I just don’t like seeing forum unrest is all.