Maybe you should re read the post.
C’mon dude.
Maybe you should re read the post.
C’mon dude.
Don’t need to re read the post. The answer is simple; we have ques and free server transfers to nudge people to move to other servers. IF people won’t move they endure the long ques.
The rest of your post is where my comment landed. Layering has nothing to do with seeing previously unseen players.
What? So when there are 7 other layers, it will have no impact on the players I meet in game? You don’t think there will be thousands of players I’ve never met? Really?
You think that character transfers will solve a server having 3-4x the intended population?
Math breaks easily when we make up numbers.
Your determination to make layering you enemy will do more harm to your Classic enjoyment than seeing some new face in game.
Well they said it would so must be true!
Alright, let’s not discuss anything then. We don’t have the actual numbers, might as well blindly trust big brother.
And layering will be gone in a couple weeks lmao.
Layering is a travesty. It really does ruin the vanilla experience. Players will have no trouble abusing layering to avoid pvp, farm nodes multiple times, etc. Just imagine the chaos when a raid invades a city and the other faction cant just fly into the city to defend. Instead they have to spend thirty minutes forming raid groups in the appropriate layer just to participate. It is total garbage and definitely a retail wow pve developer invention. Sich a shame there are no low pop servers anymore so we can avoid it.
It’s only because we care about the end product. it speaks to how we value the product that we’ve been requesting for years. of course you’re probably more right then wrong, plenty of people just like stirring up trouble.
You were not attempting to discuss layering. Your post was nothing short of fear mongering and vilification of layering.
If you want a reasonable conversation start with reasonable amounts of layering.
If Blizzard expectations have 70-80% of the population dropping. Then 3 to 5 layers is believable.
5 layers is 25,000. 80% of 25,000 is 20,000 leaving us with 5,000 players.
5,000 is a manageable population.
Really? People still think this is a thing? When you, if you actually could, swap layers to avoid PvP and land right into even more PvP, then what? Or, swap layers to see a FULL layer of people farming nodes?
What you claim isn’t as easily accomplished as a this attempts to make it sound
How does one stop making excuses for someone who hasn’t even done what they’re being accused of? The easiest (and true) excuse is that at this point there is no layering in phase 2 - nor have they said there will be.
I sure hope so i really do. But it just bothers me that they would actually deploy something like this. Ok so it saves blizzard money and inconvenience. But it screws up the experience. It is the experience that lingers and if the first three months are layering chaos they will lose a lot of subs.
It is unlikely for there to be pvp at exactly the same location when you swap, and unlikely for someone to be farming the exact node you were farming. Heck, i suspect you will see a lot of folks asking to be invited to different layers all the time if they are looking for a rare spawn or quest item with a long respawn.
If blizzard tries to implement a layer swap cooldown then that will mean there may be cases where players simply cannot group because they cant share a layer which is garbage too.
Will be funny when a streamer gets locked in a 2 hour queue of their own making
Admittedly when I saw the frenzy to join the high pop servers, I started to cringe that population wouldn’t drop fast enough to put layering to bed.
That said, based on little hints people are suggesting that the full realms have about 60k subs. If true, I think we are going to be fine. Let’s say the pop only drops 15% as some people burn out. The remaining 50k, on average are going to be playing much fewer hours than they had the first few weeks. This could very well drop the average logged in pop to 5k or less and layering should disappear.
The layering in starting areas is fine. There are so many people that it still feels way more populated than anything I’ve seen j retail.
The concern is letting it extend deep into phase 1 where resource manipulation becomes an issue as well as wPvP. There is also a more serious concern of layering in Cities, which I feel should disabled immediately.
The real issue here is that all of this hatred and flaming is purely speculation. People are getting upset about a product that’s not even released yet, on a statement that’s to come after said release.
It makes no sense at all to get butthurt because layering is in and you THINK it won’t go away. There’s a reason speculation doesn’t hold up in court.
What’s going to ruin this community is wildly obscene expectations like the guy asking what he’s supposed to do when after a few months he sees someone he’s never seen before. I don’t know, say hello? If you’re so focused on the idea that you have to have seen every single player after a few months, then the problem isn’t Blizzard. It’s your rose tinted viewpoint and your piss poor attitude.
This community sounds exactly like the wowservers subreddit. Crying about the things they think they are owed, and how they know better then anyone, and have the foresight, but nobody else does. If you disagree, wander over and look at the vitriol and stupidity that plagues that place.
So again I suggest that those that don’t like it, don’t play a product you’re so against. But I have a feeling that 99% of the loudest crying players screaming about how it’ll ruin everything, will play. Then you’re like that other druid guy in this thread. You have no leg to stand on, because you lit anyone and everyone up for trying to have a good time, then you went full hypocrite and dove in headfirst.
On the internet it holds up beautifully. None of it has anything to do with making sense and everything to do with “I’M ON A FORUM AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME FROM BEING A DINK SO I’M GONNA DO THAT LOL”
I said in another thread…if people weren’t able to make things up and then scream loudly about them on forums, the internet would be just naked stuff. There’s just no point to it otherwise anymore.
Let’s be honest, this thread, and many like it were created purely to instigate arguments. There’s not real point to them. We’re less then two weeks from launch and Blizzard hasn’t said anything definitive. Therefore, if these naysayers really DID care, they’d slink off back to their holes and wouldn’t be playing. Nothing will change this close to release, because it could potentially break stuff.
Besides, I think the idea of people asking for lag, disconnects, wild congestion to the point where you actually can’t even do the first quest, is based on a flawed, selfish and arrogant expectation. The idea that people think this replicated WoW’s original launch is laughable. That type of dumb chaos may have happened on those… other servers, but certainly wasn’t my Vanilla experience. Yeah we had lag and all that, but they actively worked to fix it, and things were still playable.
Until these loud and obnoxious people chill out and realize that pservers =/= and actual Vanilla experience, this “debate” won’t ever end. Frankly I’m just waiting for someone to start calling someone a shill and screeching about dead servers. Ah but silly me, the dead server thing is already rampant isn’t it?
wowservers called, it wants all of you weirdos back.
Phase 2 isn’t going to roll out until endof Nov./early Dec., so I give them until then to remove layering.