Yet another class tuning goes by without a single buff for prot… even though right now barely anyone is playing it cause it’s doing so poorly. Not really sure why prot is getting so ignored by the devs considering it’s the tank with the lowest damage and survivability… What’s it going to take before some changes take place?
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Next week is the last hope? Maybe next friday…
Do you mean Prot is poor at 80? Ive found it strong while levelling
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Prot is just the worst dps spec atm
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I’m not sure what you guys are talking about, but I’ve had zero issues in the 20+ heroics I’ve done so far on my prot. On decent size packs (6 mobs or so) with wings up I can crank about 1.5 million or so for the duration of wings. During standard packs with no wings I’m still maintaining north of 500k. My item level just got up to 565ish (I’m not at my computer so I’m not sure,but near there) and I don’t think he’s got a single bis piece of gear.
As far as survivability, again, zero issues. Massive pulls with proper cd usage has been extremely fun. I’ve had multiple compliments on my tanking regarding ease of dungeon, speed of dungeon, and just overall experience. These are from completely random people.
All this doom and gloom around prot is silly imo.
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If you play any of the other tank classes, you would see an obvious gap in survivability.
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Admittedly these are random heroics, I didn’t do a single M+ on beta. Maybe we are squish at keys.
This is my paladin for reference.
I didnt play prot during beta, but remember that was on the consensus for ’ high keys '.
Like other people said, prot pal is fine for heroics, but I’ve been also playing my prot war, BDK and VDH and the difference is really noticeable.
WoG is a shadow of its former self and of all the tank nerfs, prot was in the arguably qorst state and got hit the hardest.
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Yeah I mean there are two sides to it…
One is that indeed theese heroics are a joke, not really a good test-ground for what M+ will be. So yeah feeling strong now I don’t think will necesarily translate once things actually start to hit hard.
But there’s also the part that while Prot Pally was definitely the “worst” tank in terms of survivability in Beta it wasn’t as terrible as people make it out to be… Or let me rephrase a bit because it was indeed pretty far behind initially but the buffs it got helped to put it a bit closer, still clearly at “last” place but no longer by a massive amout, it is playable and even wihtout buffs it shouldn’t be too hard to time +10s and +12s with proper gear.
Anyhow I still think there’s a good chance it get some buffs, might still not be the top choice for early S1 but who knows I kind of feel it will get better towards the end of the season and might even become meta at some point (would need buffs but it’s not hard to see how it could be meta given the great utility kit).
I agree it needs buffs based on all the Beta results…
This part is not true though… I’ve had a lot of Pally tanks when running Heroics and they are not particularly struggling for that.
Now this doesn’t mean much given how much of a joke current heroics are but still I mean people are playing it, at least for now… This ofc might change once the content becomes more challenging but the spec is popular enough to have good representation at the moment.
This is just facts… don’t get me wrong, I don’t like saying it. I love prot, I’ve been playing prot since I started back in TBC. If you have a chance level a few other tanks and see how different it feels. I’ve leveled 3 tanks and the difference is huge! The hero talents feel much more impactful, the class can pull way more in heroics without feeling close to death. Prot right now just feels so bad, light smith is just a useless hero talent. Makes no impact on how you play or the run. Light smith was never a “fun” hero talent, but now that it’s been nerfed into the ground so badly it’s not even worth running. Templar is fun, but the build you need to use to make it really effective makes you so squishy… when you’re already really squishy.
The lack of healing done by WoG now, mixed with the low haste, slow holy power generation and lack uptime on SotR makes prot feel so painful. If you want to go with a more tanky build then your damage/threat is going to be terrible. This all makes prot almost unplayable in higher content. I’ve push high M+ for years now and I’m gutted by how poorly prot feels right now. Honest, I can’t believe it got through beta like this with how much feedback was going on about how badly prot was doing
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Prot pally feels terrible when playing it. Seems like I’m constantly near death when pulling any pack in Heroics.
If you are seriously having issues in Heroics doing “Normal” or honestly even aggressive pulls the you are probably doing something very wrong…
This is not saying Prot Paladin is great at the moment, it’s not and without a bit more tunning it will struggle in harder content, but we are talking high M+ keys not Heroics.
There is zero issues in “Normal.” I was referring to Heroics.
Everyone’s strong while leveling.
Yes my comment was for Heroic… I used the word “Normal” to refer to the type of pulls, but I guess that was a poor choice of words so let me rephrase:
If you are seriously having issues in Heroics doing “Regular” or honestly even “Aggressive” pulls you are probably doing something very wrong…
I was literally doing walk-in heroics right after hitting 80 with some guildies, our tank was playing Prot Pally and pulling aggresively with no issues (he was also fresh 80)… That I also have been playing it myself with the minnimum required gear to Q into heroics and having no issues, again even when pulling aggresively.
Again I’m not saying Prot Pally is great or anything, is not… But it’s not an issue in Heroics given how “free” they are.
I honestly think the issue is pally is unforgiving for poor skill right now compared to the past.
When healing prots in heroics some pallies are units and take 0 healing. Some insta die. The reason is always SotR uptime. 100% of the squishy pallies have poor SotR uptime. Like I’m talking they have 30-40% uptime while the good ones are 90+%.
The badies immediately cry how bad pally is when they die. Then they get super offended when you suggest using SotR more 
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Yeah well I mean but at that point is not a spec issue as much as a L2P issue.
I had a Druid tank the other day that felt extremely squishy, but it’s not that Guardian is squishy, it’s just that he was trying to do big pulls while keeping 9% uptime on Ironfur.
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Prot will need buffs for higher end content but is perfectly fine for heroics lol… I am pulling entire rooms and bursting to 2m dps and finishing dungeons at 450k-650k dps and I almost never die because I use defensives properly (You shouldn’t be struggling in heroics). If you are looking to push high end keys then you may want to switch classes but if do not plan on pushing over +10s then you have nothing to worry about. I would love a buff to WOG and buff to SOTR armor values but it is what it is. Light smith is absolutely horrid though and needs a complete rework… Also… Make avengers shield generate HP again please… feels so weird without it.