This mentality tells me everything. There’s a lot more to it. I’ll continue discussing the other people in here truly trying to improve like me.
The fact that fire is performing so well in high tiers is at the heart of why this all confused me so much. Tier lists everywhere have had fire in S/A+ tier, singing its praise for doing great damage.
I knew that scaling might play an issue, but for S2 start, I though a 636 ilvl was an ok start since S1 capped around just over 640.
A 25% simmed DPS inferiority though blew my mind. If anyone would have told me that Frost would be outperforming by that much after seeing all the tier lists, I would have though ‘b.s.’, but I have too much proving otherwise for this gear level now.
And what made this all the more confusing is that sunfury fire has a really simple rotation compared to most modern DPS specs with long periods where you’re spamming just 1 button on hypothermia. It may be less forgiving than BM because of how heavily combustion uptime affects performance, but I find it to be on the same level of complexity for actual rotation.
This…
> [Zínx - Moon Guard - Warcraft Logs](https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/moon-guard/z%c3%adnx?difficulty=3)
You have no idea how to play your class.
Nice, way to avoid the question. I was asking you to elaborate further on what you meant by “you have a lot of mechanical issues” when referring to OP.
Instead you resorted to insulting someone who’s been playing for two weeks. Way to reinforce that stereotype of wow being a toxic game.
Care to elaborate further on your point or are you sticking to the “lol u bad” argument?
I love how you think you made a mic-drop statement with a single sentence.
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You literally didn’t contribute anything to the conversation. More to it? Like what? Pressing the pyro-button when hot streak procs?
Such complexity. Very wow. Enjoy trying to play a sub-par spec without the 4 set tier bonus.
“There’s a lot more to it” - Like what?
But you don’t…
This is what I meant by all the little complexities. You want to cast at least one Fire Blast or Phoenix Flames during it to maintain Feel the Burn stacks, and you don’t want to cast it when you have Hot Streak
You press fire last once maybe in there for a minimal DPS gain depending on why your stacks are and how you manage them for future cooldown outlook, sure, but that’s arguing the trees to miss seeing the forest.
You also cast your barbed shot on an alternate target to spread bleeds. All basic specs have small ways to increase your DPS above the basic rotation. That doesn’t overshadow the fact that something like fire is pretty basic compared to things like outlaw rogue.
I didn’t avoid the question, I actually answered it. Unfortunately, common sense seems to need further explaining in your case. In short. the OP is complaining about the class, and I pointed out that they have sever mechanical issues based on their logs. You doubled down on the stupid, claiming:
You have parse less than 10% on almost every single fight. Apparently pressing fire blast, pyroblast, and phoenix flames is is extremely difficult in your case.
I mean, you’re in a thread discussing low fire damage. Playing to maximize gains is the first step to help raise it. 6% mastery to crit Pyroblasts seems worth maintaining.
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I feel like your only purpose for posting is to troll and try to act very smart. You’re actually the quintessential example of everything that is wrong with this community. Rather than elaborating or attempting to further educate anyone about their class in the spirit of good faith and perhaps teach them something. You made some broad and general statement about “mechanical issues” - well, like what? You think OP, as a new player is going to understand what you’re vaguely hinting at?
Not all of us can be unemployed fawning over our digital numbers and feeling that sense of a dopamine hit when “number big.” I actually feel really sorry for you. The game would be much better off without people like you. You’re hardly the pillar of the community you think yourself to be.
Now run along and go stare at your logs. While you feel that sense of pride and accomplishment over doing well in a video game.
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[Fire Mage DPS Guide - The War Within 11.1 - Wowhead](https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/mage/fire/overview-pve-dps)
There, you’re too lazy to even find a guide, I wouldn’t expect much improvement.
One forum rule is that people with nothing going on for themselves in real life will log into WoW and punch down on new players. the OP isn’t lazy. they took the time to ask for help instead of bricking people’s keys like actual bad players do. meanwhile, you’re here acting like a smug gatekeeper, throwing out vague nonsense instead of actual advice. maybe if you put as much effort into being useful as you do into feeling superior, you wouldn’t need to flex on noobs to feel accomplished.
OP, I haven’t played fire seriously in a little while so I don’t want to give you bad advice. But it takes some time to get good at fire and arcane, you can understand the basic mechanics pretty well but it still takes time to synthesize them into cooldown management etc.
One powerful thing you can do is after you run a dungeon, or fight a raid boss, go to warcraftlogs and pull up a high parser. You can then compare yourself to them, and see what is different.
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A thread where I demonstrated fire is 25% behind frost at a common ilvl.
That’s 25% overall damage compared to you arguing 6% of a secondary increase for the main spell several seconds within the rotation. I don’t mean to be rude, but you’re talking maybe 1% DPS overall since you will often have that debuff up most of that time anyways.
Sims have optimal rotation. Fire sim was 1.58M. Frostfire was 2.1M.
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I had someone tell me I was blindly addicted to sims because I said the anticipated tier set bonus to two decimal points, while trying to explain to them that the tier set would not likely fix fire’s dps, which is somewhat behind the pack – it was farther behind than the bonus the tier set would give (and that was calculated from 0pc → 4pc … not old 4pc to new 4pc)
Now, fire brings so much good utility that I don’t think it will be “bad” this season, and the damage profile is nice (frequent CD’s, and good prio). Also, fire is a favorite spec among top players. Many title players will opt for it even if it is slightly worse because of this preference (and it won’t be bad enough to prevent someone from getting title)
I linked the wowhead guide, which is far more useful than any of the drivel you posted, And only a really, really bad player tells someone to go compare their performance to a top parser. At those levels, they’re doing things based on comp, pull speed, cd coordination, etc. Trying to emulate that without understanding the basics of why they are doing what they’re doing would be dumb at best.
The person, actually both people I replied to before you, don’t even understand the basics of the spec, and you want them to try and read log data and understand it? Seriously?
Also:
The person I responded to literally said the class was braindead easy:
The logs clearly show this person parses less than 10% on almost every fight. (A) no one should listen to their advice on rotations and complexity, and (B) don’t call a spec easy when you can’t parse above 10%.
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Oh, I agree mindlessly copying a top parser without understanding the why is a terrible idea which is why I never suggested that. the goal is to study what’s possible at different levels of play in similar circumstances and how those players approach fights, then break it down into something actually useful. but that requires effort—more effort than tossing out a wowhead link and calling it a day with a snide remark insulting this poor person who is just trying to ask for help.
And if you think new players are incapable of learning from logs just because they don’t know the spec inside out yet, that’s a you problem. plenty of people improve by seeing what’s possible and working toward it step by step. but hey, if you prefer the ‘read a guide, hope for the best’ method, far be it from me to get in the way of such groundbreaking coaching.
Of course, I wouldn’t expect everyone to appreciate a more thoughtful approach—some people do seem happiest just handing out pamphlets and calling it mentorship.
tbf he’s 609 ilvl in those logs, can’t speak to his fundamentals of fire mage but thats ridiculously low. I see he’s on Moon Guard so maybe his guild let him RP as geared
I like how at no point did you ever offer any advice of your own. You only criticized me when I asked a simple question. And at no point did I offer any sort of advice. I don’t know what type of dream world you’re living in. I asked you to elaborate further on your point and you took that as some type of personal attack. Also, I made sure to report your posts.
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This is offering advice. You’re telling people just cast fire blast, phoenix flames, and Pyroblast during combust and that’s all there is to doing good damage, and it’s just not true - there’s a lot more details to it.
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I think he was simplifying. Fire is actually more complex than just using fire blast and phoenix flames during a hot streak. Your build also plays a part. For example, I use the scorch 7 percent buff that triggers with damage. So, I will weave in scorch from time to time. Because phoenix flames give you bonus mastery, that takes priority over fire blast. Then there is hypothermia or meteor. Those always should be number one spell to cast. But with meteor, you want combustion up to guarantee a full crit or use with Ice nova. If you are timing your fireball casts, make sure you have an ice nova up and ready for when a bonus meteor triggers from the talent. To be honest, sunfury fire is way easier to play. But you really need all 4 new tier pieces and a lot of haste and mastery.
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