U guys see the lava burst legendary on beta took an undocumented mega nerf? It used to buff lava burst for like 15 seconds after casting earthshock now it buffs 1 lava burst. So pretty much a 30% dmg nerf to lava burst. We back to bfa ele. I’m probably rerolling.
Is BfA ele really that awful to play?
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It’s the worst ele has ever felt to play.
I take these Skillcapped videos that are all made by the same person who doesn’t even play the specs he makes guides for with a grain of salt, but they listed Ele as one of the “most broken casters” next to Spriest in a recent guide. Is Ele really just garbage?
WoD would like to have a word, especially the ol Lsdruid vs Fls.
Honestly I think its more bfa that feels so awful in general for anyone. With pve gear, essences and corruptions as well as other overpowered specs being unchanged for years. You just feel like nothing is happening for most of the game in most games and often the inevitable outcome happens.
The one thing that is all too common between both sham dps specs and that kills us inside is when lava burst and stormstrike hit for less than random gear procs.
When lava burst and stormstrike pumps and we have burst pressure, shaman is FUN. When ONLY our cooldowns remotely matter (lasso go or enhance ascendance) shaman feels horrible. We turn into low sustain bots with lack of cc/toolkit and just stop goes until we lose or win on mana.
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does bfa ele ever even have to cast (besides lasso, hex, and maybe throwing off heals?)
ele was extremely good until 2 days ago when they nerfed 2 of its strongest legendries. I haven’t done enough testing to say if its still good or bad. Im sure its still strong. I’m just saying when lava burst does no dmg ele feels super boring to play and im not going through another expac of that.
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100% agree with that. I think it was WotLK when I last played Ele a lot and Lava Burst was awesome. I played it to 2k in Legion too and I think it was strong then as well. No idea why they are scared to put it’s damage there instead of all of this earth shock interaction.
its the fascination with builder spenders and big bursts
nah bro its fine not like xpac drops in 4 weeks or anything, they’ll tune it!
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The wording on that leggo always stated “Next” lava burst.
The leggo was bugged from the start not generating lava surge procs and just gave a 30% buff to lava burst for 15 seconds instead since it wasnt generating the lava surge proc that would eat the buff itself.
It wasnt a nerf but just them finally bug fixing the leggo. Depending on maelstrom generation that leggo is still going to be very strong but not in the ways that we want it.
It has synergy with control of lava since earth shocking adds a lava surge proc it can help us keep CoL stacks at 3 and retain the lava burst buff even with a lower lava surge proc chance. This is not what I want from ele personally and it feels very unlike ele.
Even not playing CoL the ability to use our lava surge procs to buff ES and not have to sit on a mote proc and wait for a lava surge proc before pressing ES since it will give us a lava surge proc will smooth out the gameplay in pvp.
RN ele feels insane on beta cuz of tuning but mechanically its pretty awful imo.
6 second flame shock cd
they nerfed flame shock duration from 24 seconds in bfa to 18
Potency conduits for ele are a legit joke and not competitive with any other dps and will cause ele to scale much worse in slands.
We still are going to retain the issues with our mastery being bad and crit not scaling for lava burst dmg.
We lost totem mastery which was our free maelstrom generation which was big for pvp. We are also losing Fire elemental maelstrom generation which in PvP is going to be noticeable. The new fire ele changes are decent but in PvP we already struggled to keep flame shocks rolling on multiple targets with a 24 sec duration and that got cut to 18sec.
In legion we had fire and ice pvp talent which just flat generated maelstrom for us from flame shocks.
We had 0 cd on flame shock
A talent that made flame shock spread after being hit with lava burst
We had earth shock stun so the niche and ability to stop goes as ele in legion was much stronger as well.
Lava burst dmg even without that legendary is going to be fine imo since most my testing on ele i was messing with ele equil leggo and not the lava burst one. Was still getting 5k+ lava bursts on 31k hp pools.
The most notable changes was a huge buff to our baseline Spell power for lava burst from i think 57% to 104% (yes IG azerite was lost but this netted more baseline power than IGx3 afaik)
Pair this with crits being 175% in PvP up from 150% in bfa.
Eles crits afaik were 175% in bfa while others were 150%.
Eles might be 200% in PvP baseline in slands due to elemental fury I havent tested that much yet.
The biggest issues ele is going to have is that mechanically its still worse than it was in legion by a mile. I think mechanically it might even feel worse than bfa with the removal of totem mastery , flame shock duration going to 18 sec instead of 24.
Dont think theres a tuning # that will feel good while having a 6 sec cd on your dot thats so core to how your spec deals dmg.
They have yet to touch pvp talents at all and unlike other specs like war that get spell reflect baseline we still are going to be locked into things like grounding totem / skyfury / lasso for an entire xpac.
If ele got baseline grounding totem that ate 1 spell and was a 15 sec cd it would both be healthier for the gameplay but open up a much needed pvp talent.
Ele still needs echo of the elements baseline and a change to flame shock duration / charges / cd etc something or its just going to feel very limited for Slands. Potency conduits need to change or it will fall behind even more.
When classes like mage can get 40% dmg buff to orb and 50% dmg buff to ice lance as potency conduits and eles starring at 36% chance to add 4 seconds to your flame shock after earth shocking and other RNG proc effects with very little payoff its just going to scale very poorly.
The shaman forums have left lots of feedback with pretty much 0 communication from the devs so im not too hopeful anything gets fixed and might end up going back to my OG main and play sub again. Ill prolly try gearing my ele and playing it but not to excited from what ive seen in slands.
Pretty depressed about it tbh
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I think I hate myself enough to just hard main enhance, as both are looking fairly rough and I’ve always liked enhance more.
See you on the other side boys.
Im skeptical to agree that ele is still insane. It may be or it may not be its so hard to test on beta vsing 1500 players. Without a ranked system and all my addons and being in voice with my team and all that i won’t know for sure if ele is good or bad. But i can say that my solo pressure feels much worse now. Most of my lava bursts hit for 4500 and people have 39k hp pools not 31k (if you use that leatherworking HP buff thing). Im just not content with that number. 12% of someones hp per lava burst is not enough imo especially considering all the insane specs out there atm like spriest/marks/sub etc. And if all the insane specs get nerfed and ele still stays top of the line then we go back to boring dampeners like BFA.
i genuinely cannot figure out how this hasn’t happened
it was what, wod where they said “talents that everyone picks every time will be made baseline”?
echo isn’t THAT powerful to be unable to be made baseline and it makes ele and resto (and would help enhance too now that it’s more similar to a time when it also had echo) so much smoother and better feeling to play
See that’s where I kinda might disagree.
If my average lava burst is 12% their total hp per cast then overloads will bring that to 22%
So for example
Echoing shock into hard cast lava burst fishing for a lava surge proc mid cast would allow us to launch 3 lava bursts in 2 seconds
With 0 overloads that would be 36% someone’s hp.
Each overload would add 10% max hp dmg done. So rng potential of 66% someone’s hp. For just setting up fairly easy echoing shock lava burst goes.
Add in the lava burst leggo where you es after that string into another lava surge lava burst
Add in asc activation having teeth again.
Throwing in things like echoing shock , asc activation and their own overloads and it’s very consistent dmg imo
Currently in bfa our lava bursts avg for like 4% someone’s max hp. 7.5% if they overload.
This doesn’t really account for burst CDs like badge on use / skyfury etc.
I’d have to test the numbers but I’m pretty sure Eles dmg is fine it’s the mechanics of flame shock that will hold us back and maelstrom generation.
Flame shock needs either 0 cd
Or my personal change would be a 2-3 charge system with a hasted cd starting at 6 and also a dispel effect. If dispelled grants shaman x% of haste. This would alleviate the feeling in PvP of people just spam dispelling all your dmg.
add in path of flame spreading lava burst again if lava burst is the core identity of ele in slands.
They could adjust surge of power to have a diff effect for flame shocks
I think Eles issues is more mechanical rn than numbers. If you could maintain 2-3 flame shocks with ease like you did in legion the current lava burst #s would feel really good imo.
tldr ele will prob be fine
flameshock cd makes my head hurt
xD
Ye eles going to be strong. Its just unforch it prolly wont mechanically be as fun to play as I want it. I figured i wouldnt be playing the same talents all of legion / bfa / slands from the pvp side xD
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Have you tested the Earthquake legendary