Stealth ability doesn’t feel stealthy because of Spy

cool story want to post on your pvp toon then?

heh shhh let them swing from the gibbet a little longer this is fun.

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I wanna join a PvP server using spy, just so I can make a yell macro that says” Hello there, I’m ready for you.”

In order to do this:

The API call COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED returns the following parameters:

  1. timestamp
  2. event
  3. hideCaster
  4. sourceGUID
  5. sourceName
  6. sourceFlags
  7. sourceRaidFlags
  8. destGUID
  9. destName
  10. destFlags
  11. destRaidFlags

That single API call grants you all of this information. You can research what each of these points to, what prefixes and suffixes you can add to filter more, etc, but the single command is this. Blizzard breaks addons by blocking access to the API. There isn’t an individual API call to just get the identify of someone that is separate from getting the spell name of something someone cast, it is all baked together.

What you want is for specific events to not be reportable by an addon, but the API isn’t structured to do that whatsoever. What you’re actually asking for, under the current structure, is for the Combat Log to be unable to “see” anything happening that an enemy player does when not in combat with you. That requires a reworking of the Combat Log to add additional parameters to accomplish.

If you want anymore coding information, research it yourself, but put very simply: what you want is something Blizzard cannot give you.

Your opinion has no place in this game.

Oh well yes, same as in BG’s where you pick them off the BG roster
Like when your looking for the flag carrier who is turtling off in a bush someplace.

39 would be a mid-high level twink for BG’s. 19, 29, 39 etc
He might be making one in advance of the BGs coming i guess?
I saw some others doing the same.

Oh? Which words did I put in your mouth? The fact you said you sit for 5 min? Pretty sure I quoted that.

Well, I sure hope not. We’ve made that point in the thread already, glad you caught up.

However it makes them better, not all would be necessarily good. But everyone is better with it.

Still think Blizz doesn’t know how to make a change to one thing without breaking everything? If you lack all trust in a company why pay for the product?

Or, get this. Edit it?

Like you are with the 39 you’ve not leveled at all, that you claim to just use to gank people in STV all day, but somehow haven’t managed a level in almost 4 days?

Ganking is a pretty flawed version of PvP in itself, bud.

Should’ve fixed it to include the guy named Ferneth, oh wait.

I count 18 changees so far.

And you act as though it was common knowledge, as if everyone did this as much as everyone clicked the button to have the addon do it for them.

Also, the level 39 rogue working on a week of no play (besides ganking as you claim).

Dude, you insult people over and over for literally the exact same thing you do… Come on, now.

Yours doesn’t either if his doesn’t, everyone here pays for the game, bud.

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It’s a bit hard (not impossible, but not simple either)

This is what following me around looks like to an opposing faction.
This is not using an addon

11/18 03:22:43.456 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,768,“Cat Form”,0x1,BUFF
11/18 03:22:43.462 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,768,“Cat Form”,0x1,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,1433,0.0000,0
11/18 03:22:44.525 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,5215,“Prowl”,0x1,BUFF
11/18 03:22:44.525 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,5215,“Prowl”,0x1,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,1433,0.0000,0
11/18 03:22:50.162 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,768,“Cat Form”,0x1,BUFF
11/18 03:22:50.329 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,Player-4727-01673218,“Gythriel-Windseeker”,0x511,0x0,5215,“Prowl”,0x1,BUFF
11/18 03:23:22.709 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,2457,“Battle Stance”,0x1,BUFF
11/18 03:23:22.709 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,5242,“Battle Shout”,0x1,BUFF
11/18 03:23:22.709 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,11196,“Recently Bandaged”,0x1,DEBUFF
11/18 03:23:25.784 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,11196,“Recently Bandaged”,0x1,DEBUFF
11/18 03:23:29.766 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Creature-0-4411-0-276-441-00005254E5,“Black Dragon Whelp”,0xa48,0x0,100,“Charge”,0x1,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,1433,0.0000,0
11/18 03:23:29.945 SPELL_ENERGIZE,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,100,“Charge”,0x1,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,1433,0.0000,0,9.0000,0.0000,1,0
11/18 03:23:29.945 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Creature-0-4411-0-276-441-00005254E5,“Black Dragon Whelp”,0xa48,0x0,7922,“Charge Stun”,0x1,DEBUFF
11/18 03:23:30.871 SWING_DAMAGE,Player-4727-01842934,“Vaxtor-Windseeker”,0x518,0x0,Creature-0-4411-0-276-441-00005254E5,“Black Dragon Whelp”,0xa48,0x0,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,-1,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,1433,0.0000,0,55,68,-1,1,0,0,0,nil,1,nil

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I imagine there are people who’re experienced enough in writing code that it shouldn’t be too hard for them. That’s not me, but some people make careers doing it.

Just pick a different class problem solved

There is no way I would ever understand that. So the add on automates translation and parses what it wants from the code. Not sure this should be a thing at all. Its got to go.

I main a rogue. Spy is fine. Git gud.

this is my classic main on a rp pvp server i just don’t want to level as someone else found out ^.^ 39 is plenty high enough to enjoy the pleasures of stv.

was not calling him on his level it was using it so he could tell that i was talking how spy would see him just like it would see a rogue, stop trying to read into things.

it was heck there used to be guides on how to set it up it was quite well known.

still pvp dont like it go to pve

you dont gain levels when killing people and why should I level? just becasue you want to be 60 why should I? don’t tell me what i enjoy.

you cant just bolt on a change to the api you would need to make a whole new system.

only in the fact that they are trying to improve by taking steps if was default set up like this bad players would still be bad.

cute taking it out of context which was even when spy was not used you dont catch them unaware which is what the anti spy people would like everyone to think.

No, that would not be efficient for an ingame add on
it simply looks for pre determined phrases if you will.

On Text ’ something happened here’ do ‘some action’

It works how all log addons work, which is nearly all of them, only looking at what is relevant to them, otherwise the addons would make the game run like you were running an auction analyzer or something, meaning really crappy.

That, what i posted, is what the game actually outputs, outside the game even, fully available to analyze in realtime using external tools.

The main point though was, as you can see, the bystander knows a whole heck of a lot, i went to cat, i went to stealth, i dropped stealth, some unseen guy in the vicinity had used a bandage at some point
and was fighting with some mob etc.
The log was a lot longer, i just clipped a small piece of it

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I know we have been at odds, but I really do think you are intelligent and can discuss things properly. This is an intelligent post. Thank you. I still think and you might agree or disagree, the translation from the code to the easy text to read is not really in spirit of classic. It does break some skills of some classes.

All addons basically take something not easily decipherable by the average joe, and present it in an easy to consume package.
That is what Blizzard made the API for.

As for Spy, i dont agree or disagree.
For some, for them it breaks their class.
For others (meaning rogues or druids or NELFS in general) they use it against the spy users by triggering stealth warnings all over the place inciting either sudden panic, or causing people to start ignoring the spammed warning.

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I would, my paladin brother. I stand by principles.

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This addon is actually only useful in an, out in the world PvP setting in most cases. It would be next to useless in a BG or mass PvP fight like SS&TM. There’d simply be too much to look at.

The lone warrior mining a node, or mage innocently fishing, these are the players that need Spy. Not to stop that cowardly rogue or dastardly druid from attacking them, but to alert them to their danger, so that instead of murder there’s a more even fight.

If you can’t fight someone who’s ready for a fight and all you can do is be a disgusting bully then maybe it’s time for Spy to help people stand up to you and teach you a lesson. From the looks of a lot of these posts I’d say the teaching has started… GOD bless Spy.

( Flags, eagles, fireworks, and patriotic music you will have to imagine for yourselves )

No, it will be just as gamebreaking for stealthies in PvP as well.

Picture a match in Arathi Basin, and a rogue goes up to try to take a node. Well, the enemy sees them coming and knows their exact coordinates. Good premades will have everyone using Spy so they can triangulate the locations.

Same thing if you’re a rogue defending a node.

How about in Warsong gulch? Say you’re a rogue who wants to sneak in and grab the enemy flag. Guess what, they all know you’re coming the moment you stealth.

It will actually be more gamebreaking for stealth in battlegrounds as it is in world PvP.

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Arathi is a great example yes.