Hmm… you may want to read the thread. I like Spy. I think it is a useful tool that improves the game.
But it sounds like you are defending it as well… to me? You don’t need to defend Spy to me. I think it fits in WoW fine.
Maybe I am reading your post wrong. OR maybe you quoted/replied to the wrong person?
I’m reading the list of data provided that tries to make it sound like it uncovers something more like a players’ family life and job history.
It’s useful. I use it whenever I pvp. But it’s just not that useful. Especially in a bg, when the stealth alarm goes off the stealthed player could be nowhere near you.
Hmm. if you are talking about this list
then that is refering to things that the combat log will show. That is how Spy works by reading the combat log.
That list was provided as a reponse to someone asking… … dude seriously just read the thread, I won’t recap the whole thread for you
…but i think we are on the same ‘side.’
The “this is an invasion of my privacy” hysteria is misplaced. If you think it is right to panic, then have at it.
Dang man. I don’t even know if you are responding to anyone in this thread?
What are you talking about: “this is an invasion of my privacy” hysteria?
That’s what I’m getting out of all these posts that tell us information that spy doesn’t even relay to us. But oh, no, it’s in the combat log! The game is broken!
It’s misleading to say the least.
More confirmation that pretty much every single UD rogue on a pvp rolled one because they thought it was gonna be EZ mode.
Srsly, I’m on guard against Orc Rogues more than I am UD, despite Skill of the Forsaken, because they actually have a clue what they’re doing and don’t panic when the warlock they jumped fights back.
OK.
But you are replying to me.
I don’t think the game is broken. I think the combat log is fine. I think that Spy is fine.
Reply to the person who you want to argue with.
I am just going to agree with you. So 
I like you.
Nah, I’ll advocate for this game, which I happen to enjoy. OK, fair enough, you aren’t able to really formulate a philosophical answer, which I don’t really believe as you come across as pretty intelligent. So your best “philosophical” argument is a maintenance of balanced gameplay? OK, I mean, that’s not bad and I understand your point. It still leans heavily toward “just because” but I’ll take it.
You do, however, help me out a little bit at the end…you do get it!!! I’ll be honest with you, I don’t know if Feign Death shows up or not…but it shouldn’t. So the technology and philosophy already exist to not include important tactical information in the combat log.
And no, if you re-read my posts I think its easy to see I never thought the inclusion of Stealth in the combat log was a mistake. I want to know why I should have any inkling of some horde rogue trying to kill me? Heck…why should I get any information of what my enemies are doing?
Anyway, I’m done with this thread…I’m a time-tested carebear…I could care less if any Horde stealth near me. I’ll continue thinking its stupid though and I’ll sincerely hope any automation in the game is broken…including my gathering add-on…and yeah, that gathering add-on that shows me all previous nodes absolutely is an advantage over anyone not using it.
Those are good questions. What I am failing to get across is they are most likely simultaneous very complicated questions only Blizzard designers could answer AND be best answered with “just because."
Game design is a bit science and art but even more so luck. But most things are not arbitrary.
My best advice is to try to answer those questions yourself, instead of assuming there isn’t a good answer.
Good Night and Good Luck.
Vanilla had addons, no. #NoChanges
Combat log is broken. It was an over site by vanilla blizzard to include stealth in the combat log, plain and simple.
This oversight wasn’t a huge deal in vanilla WoW, since nobody really used any addons or took advantage of it.
But now with the advent of Spy this oversight is highlighted. Just like spotting in gadgetzan existed in vanilla, but it wasn’t until classic that it was a widely abused mechanic and blizzard fixed it.
If the vanilla WoW devs saw the power of an addon like Spy during vanilla, they would have hotfixed it immediately to take “stealth” out of the combat log.
I don’t see how people can possibly NOT understand or acknowledge that putting stealth in the combat log was an oversight by vanilla blizzard that would have been hotfixed had they seen so many people take advantage of this exploit during vanilla as they do now.
I highly doubt that. As a rogue, your class is notorius for giving a “git gud” response, and now that the tables have turned you’re expecting pity.
It doesn’t matter how many were paying attention to their combat log prior to the add-on.
My point is that the advantage Spy offers is the exact same advantage ANY ToS-abiding add-on does: existing information presented in a more easily readable way.
Then your complaint is duly noted and rejected, by Blizzard. Blizzard has maintained an open-ended, all events laid bare, Combat Log since before Vanilla officially released and actively participated with the addon community to improve, bugfix, and modify it.
You’re literally 15yrs too late for this complaint. That you and others were not aware of how absolutely exposed every single action you took was to the rest of the community isn’t Blizzard’s fault or problem to fix. That is the end of it.
There was an addon that did the same thing in Vanilla, never was hotfixed…
Spy is fine. Spy has been part of WoW for a very long time. I really doubt it’s going to be broken.
Wait what!? It does that?? Now that is game breaking. An alert is one thing, but bypassing a game mechanic is bad. In that case I’m all for Blizzard removing the mod.
In vanilla, one of the worst things that people had to deal with on a PvP server was rogues. You can’t blame people for wanting to mitigate that as much as possible. This is from someone who played rogue (not in classic, but I don’t doubt it holds true).
I suspect that they may look into changing what addons can do, but even if you get your wish, you should be able to understand why some might not celebrate.
It doesn’t let you target a stealthed character. The player would have to be not-stealthed for you to actually click on the frame to target them, no different than you targeting someone who isn’t stealthed, they hit stealth, and you lose your target.
Harmondale doesn’t actually know how the addon works.