nope so in other words is just displaying it in a more fancy way.
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Shift supplied that data to create a situation where people used these addons in Vanilla. ACTUAL HISTORY and ACTUAL REAL DATA proves otherwise. Yet he will still try to build something from nothing to create a world that didn’t exist.
Even though this massive advantage wasn’t actually supplied in Vanilla, the use of addons did exist in Vanilla. Addons like DBM, recount and healbot were all very powerful addons that were on or above the level of Spy.
If people were complaining about Powerful Addons they’d be complaining about those. DBM, Recount and Healbot mostly affect PvE so the only people complaining would probably be Onyxia and Ragnaros.
Downloads. Look at the number of downloads. GET OUTTA HERE with these silly attempts at putting together a world that NEVER existed you fraud.
That number of downloads doesn’t represent a minority of people using it, that number of downloads represents the devs bug testing an addon that never had functionality.
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WoW Census did nothing wrong, just kept track of who was logged on. Blizz ended that.
Spy isn’t going to last long. I would be surprised if it survives the next client patch.
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Add-on, Schmad-on…its irrelevant and distracting to discuss whats “legal”. The ability shouldn’t generate a collectible, parseable, automatable message. The ability to go unnoticed shouldn’t, as its first action, bring attention upon you. And if current game design allows that, then the game design ought to change. To think otherwise is just being obtuse.
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If all of the arena addons stayed in, there’s no way Spy would get dropped. The arena addons changed pvp way more than Spy did.
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Why don’t we just change everything we don’t like…
…wonder where that will lead us?
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So I make one specific example of one specific element I think is logically correct to repair and you’ve extrapolated this out to “Why don’t we just change EVERYTHING…?” C’mon dude…the design of the ability is remove the player from sight or notice, how does it make sense to have this ability, by use of an add-on, be 100% marginalized? Yes, yes…the add-on just parses typically ignored information…I got ya. My question is why is this information even made available?
When replying be careful to steer clear of responses that veer us back into what is or is not allowed via add-ons, or broad spectrum hyperbole like “Why don’t we just change everything…” Lets discuss why an ability whose sole purpose is to hide a player comes with an advertisement. What ya got?
The combat log, by design, displays all actions by all players within range. If you want to change the combat log then you want to eliminate a large portion of Add ons that use it.
There a more addons that people complain about daily that don’t use the combat log. So should we change the game design that allows those addons to fucntion as well… or just the one little thing YOU want.
Why was it available in vanilla? Why is it available in Classic? Why is it available in Retail? Ask Blizzard.
But the answer is most likely “they want it, and intend it, to be available.”
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Yeah I didn’t think you had an answer.
I know you don’t.
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This would be like deleting Dwarves’ beards.
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Dude, I specifically asked for an answer to a specific question and even helped you with a guide of pitfalls to avoid…yet you couldn’t. I am not addressing this from a legal, historical perspective. I get it man I really do…its been going on a long time. Blizz allows it and has for some time. I completely understand that part of it. I’m asking a philosophical question: Why should an ability whose sole purpose is to make a player less likely to be observed, as its first action, bring attention upon the player? That’s my question, if you don’t have an answer then just don’t type. If you do have an answer I’d like to hear it.
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just a quick reminder #NOCHANGES no suck it
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Your question is answered by more questions…
Why does the combat log exist? Why is the following displayed in the combat log:
- when an enemy drinks a potion and gains the potion effect even though you can’t see them
- when the effect wears off
- the damage everyone around is doing for 200yds
- that someone is eating a wolf steak
- that someone crafted a silk bolt
- when a rogue stealths
- when a paladin buffs
- when an enemy receives a buff
- when those buffs expire
Why are these things in the combat log?
Becuase they want that information to be exposed.
Exposed to who?
The players.
The players don’t read the combat log like that, why would they expose it?
The players typically don’t read it but Addons do. The information is exposed specifically so Addons can use it. By design.
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All you had to do was not type…
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All you had to do was not type…
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I’m a stealthie, and I’ve used Spy since wod.
I feel I’m being trolled but I’ll try one more time.
I concede every point you made:
-the combat log exists to provide players with information about what is happening in their immediate environment
-every action you listed is available in the combat log…WHY are all of those actions displayed in the combat log…this I cannot answer but we can only assume is the game designers wanted this information to be provided.
-they apparently do want this information to be exposed to the players
-Add-ons can, by design, collect and expose this information. This is no different than game design at original release.
There ya go…you win all those battles.
Your turn…
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Is my turn answering this:
If so then the only answer that seems reasonable is:
By design, they want the player to observe that another player is now ‘less observable.’ They want the player to know that stealth was activated against them. Just like they want the player to know a paladin bubbled.
Just like they play an audible sound when a rogue stealths. They want to communicate directly and clearly what is occurring, with as little ambiguity as possible.
I know many (which might include you) want this to be some immersive fantasy you dive into… but it is a GAME first. And a Blizzard game at that. Their whole thing is simple and straightforward, clear readability in design. That is about as philosophical as I will get for you.
Again you want the game changed. Cool. Please just go try and change a different game or Advocate for Classic+ if you must.
BUT:
Now let me ask you another question.
Why does Stealth activation show up in the combat log… but hunter Feign Death does not? Feign death will not show up as a buff externally… not even to the addon api. It is hidden.
You think it is all just a mistake? You think they intentionally don’t give away Feign Death in the combat log or API, and they just forgot about stealth…
…for 15 years?
I think you’re making a huge deal about a tool that provides some information to people doing pvp. The type of specifics you seem to feel it dishes out really aren’t part of it.
It tells me if there is a stealthy nearby. How close is that? You really can’t tell. Unless I hear the stealthing noise in the game, I can’t be sure that they are really anywhere near me.