This is really dramatic. You have absolute power over your own game. You are more than capable to create your own group.
What are you even talking about? I am not disregarding changes.
Are you implying I should stop participating in m+ until the changes are made?
Because I don’t plan on doing that. So in the meantime, I will adapt to what the game currently is, even if I do want it to change.
For someone calling moron you seem to have grossly misread and made your entire argument about your own misreading.
Try reading that again. Slowly. Twice if needed. Then go back and read the full quote. I specifically said that priests win that. I said if people were using a DPS chart and seeing that their mage was doing bad compared to their priest and kicking the mage because of it, I would also say remove the dps logs because it’s a gross misuse of a “tool”. However people actually have situational common sense with dps “tools” and don’t play the who’s number is bigger game for player performance accuracy.
Quick question. If everyone wanted something to change and they all had your opinion of don’t talk about it cas were not devs therefore there is no negative feedback being introduced, why would a dev change something. They are doing a good job, no one is talking about a bad system, therefore it stays.
- I didn’t mis-read what you wrote. Re-read what I wrote.
- I didn’t call you a moron… I called the hypothetical raid leader that you’re also disparaging a moron.
- I stated what I would say to such a moronic RL.
“RL… You’re a moron… Here’s the WCL page demonstrating that data that shadow priests dominate that fight.”
Indicating that the RL, the said moron, shouldn’t be dumping on the mage because all the data points towards shadow priests being dominant in that fight.
My statement gets the RL to realize his error. Your solution does nothing but covers our eyes for… reasons…
You haven’t been playing long if you seriously think people aren’t still stupid about DPS meters… Most can’t find the “damage taken” tab in details.
You mean remove logs…like, from the game? Or from that player specifically?
Oh people play the “who’s number is bigger” game all the time lol. Idiots mostly, but they’re out there and not even all that rare.
gg, rl = raid leader, I see. Everyone in guild has taken the liberty to shorten rhanlar to rl so then that’s my fault. anywho,
Then we agree partially. However your “that one person is an idiot” only works if this behavior isn’t shared as the general consensus and is only applicable to that one person. Players in large, dl the io addon. It gives em an overlay with a score, knowing no better or just not caring, use said score as the end all. If everyone used the situational common sense the other posters here all agree should be used with io then I don’t think alot of the complaints would exist.
In a semi-reverted system that made Ilvl a relevant metric as it once was would remove the io addon. Logs would still be available through the external WoW page keeping the information available but away from the people who don’t know how to use logs because usually people who go searching for logs out of game are the ones who can at least read them.
It’s possible, I haven’t pug’ed a raid in a while but when I did usually DPS comparisons between 2 unequal classes/spec were quickly met with a “Your affliction, of course your higher than my destro” or similar correction. Especially when those players would go as far to say “kick X his dps is lower”.
Hah! No worries. 
While I agree, this is no different than any other tool. The players who use the tool poorly will get poorer results than those that use the tool correctly. As people use the tool more, they can improve how they use it. It’s the same with dps meters, logs, etc.
When I first looked at logs I was overwhelmed with the amount of information. It’s easy to just look at your rank, but anyone with any amount of skill with logs knows that you have to go deeper.
I also still feel… that in the vast majority of these complaints… People are getting declined from groups due to numbers (only 4 people can get accepted), not some hidden IO agenda of the group leaders.
I was a 2.1k player and I didn’t get invited to every group I applied to.
Who said my opinion is “dont talk about it”?
I never once stated that. Sheesh.
Sorry that was the only logical conclusion unless you are just arguing to argue. I’m comparing 2 systems while you repeatedly talk about the irrelevant fact that one doesn’t exist anymore and to adapt. Idk about you but generally when that train of thought is used it’s to imply an old way isn’t worth talking about…
If I say “Wow this lake used to be beautiful” and you say “Doesn’t matter, it’s polluted now so let’s get used to it and adapt”. The general connotation delivered is “Don’t talk about the previous event”…
How was it possibly a logical conclusion? How?
I am saying “this is the system right now. if i want to create a group in the system, today, I need to adapt”
That is not saying…at all…that no one should voice an opinion on changing the system. Its not even in the same zip code.
When the system changes again (hopefully) I will adapt again.
Its naive to say " well back during TBC ilvl was reflective of what content you did, so I should still use that same system for inviting people to groups in BFA".
I can give feedback that I want the system to change, yet still operate within the system in the game.
No one said not to, I’ve been comparing 2 systems this entire time.
And that brings me back to my entire point.
How should I put together a group then? Since ilvl is meaningless. What metric do you feel I should look at?
Implying that the argument is to remove io without first fixing the ilvl issue. Said multiple times, you dont fix one without the other.
That does not answer my question.
Right now. In game. Today. I want to run a m+.
How should I build my group?
Your question is irrelevant and not the topic of the argument made…
The topic is “why an ilvl revamp and ilvl based measure is better than io”. Today’s best method has no relevance to that topic what so ever. No one said not to do it, that’s your weird prerogative.
That was never my topic.
My topic has been “in todays game, raiderIO is more important than ilvl”.
I have been consistent on this topic.
What other person has been talking about an ilvl revamp?
The OP is not about an “ilvl revamp”.
I dont see anyone else talking about an “ilvl revamp”.
When you reply to someone else discussion you don’t get to change the argument, that’s not how that works…
Person a: I like apples better than grapes.
Person b: changes topic I like blueberries, why are blueberries better than watermelon?
wot…
This is what I replied to
This is the edit you literally just added as I looked it up and quoted it:
You just tried to retcon your point so that it was the argument I replied to.
Good job. We can see that the post was last edited at Jul 18, 2019 at 3:16 PM. 2 minutes ago.
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If looking up the warcraftlogs website was the only way to check your dps, practically everyone doing non-queue content would look themselves up on warcraftlogs.
As it is, plenty of people look up their logs without knowing how to read anything beyond “oh look I parsed X color!” This isn’t some obscure website that takes particular knowledge to access.
I’ll grant you it would cut down on people kicking others for low dps, just because the info wouldn’t be available in real-time - but that would make things more inconvenient for everyone and wouldn’t be worth it imo.
Also, not every instance of “kick for low dps” is actually wrong, sometimes a pug actually is doing very low dps for their class/gear level and that lack of damage is preventing the group from succeeding.