I don’t care what others think about me. My faction was humiliated beyond repair in Bfa. Blizzard owes us soemthing. And I will continue to demand it until Blizzard gives in and treats the alliance the same way. Stormwind becoming a raid and at least 20 leaders of them being killed with crappy replacements in check.
So by that logic Lor’themar Theron should be dead. Because he almost joined the Alliance. By that logic you want Saurfang dead because he was peaceful with Anduin up til’ he died. Thrall dead because he’s worked with Draenei before and been friendly with the Alliance such as Jaina. Baine dead because he returned Jaina’s brother, and has worked with the Alliance several time. Literally every Tauren druid dead ever because they work with Kaldorei who taught them druidism. Cairne dead. Vol’jin dead he wasn’t trying to senselessly kill Alliance and was pretty neutral with them… Literally any good horde character lmao.
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He literally wants the horde destroyed. That’s how insane he is and how little he grasps that his ideas would only harm the horde in the long run
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Yes the entire council needs to die and be replaced with the list of people I already posted in another topic. That is my vision.
Baine should have died for this because he put the entire tauren nation in danger and got Zeling killed for one person. He also attack and killed Forsaken freeing him.
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Your list consists of entirely dead horde leaders you clown
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So you don’t want the horde, you want people who literally made a pathway from the bones of Draenei, kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and did unspeakable acts to Female Draenei? You want genocidal maniacs to slaughter everyone, said genocidal maniacs who would leave you to die and crush you under their boot.
Oook then.
That’s a fair point, but he believed what he was doing was right regardless if he went about it the wrong ways. Said Forsaken were also working under Sylvanas. And I don’t think Sylvanas would have went for the entire Tauren nation, just likely Baine and Zeling.
Which that one person he went after would later join the Horde and works with Caelia and the Forsaken.
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Why are they like this?
There were questlines for Horde that were loyal to Sylvanas. Did Baine have the right to kill us?
No there are two cinematics that stated Sylvanas was going to attack Thunder Bluff for what Baine did. I don’t know if this was cut content or what.
There is no explaining him. Some men just want to watch the world burn, I guess.
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I don’t want to burn the world. I want it to take it away from the alliance and gives it to the Horde as their price to live on that new conquered land.
I didn’t see that part, It might have been cut but in the cinematics I’ve ever seen she’s just imprisoned and threatened to kill him from my understanding. Thank you for informing me.
Did Sylvanas have a right to burn down an entire tree of innocents slaughter entire towns of Kaldorei? Did Sylvanas have a right to kill us for wanting to stay true to Horde traits? It’s a two way street though once again I do see where you are coming from. In that case – I would say Baine is less of a Traitor and more of an unreliable leader who could have potentially put his people in serious harms way.
Aka wanting to see the world burn.
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It was in the cinematic where Baine returned Derek to Jaina. She told him that Sylvanas was going to retaliate and Baine just said “I know.”
So he knew what Sylvanas would do and he valued Derek and Jaina over tauren. So yeah he’s a traitor.
The second cinematic is the one right after they rescue Baine from capture. Thrall and Jaina are looking at Thunder Bluff, commenting that this was her next target.
Why are you asking this? It has nothing to do with my point. I’m not answering it.
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Ysera’s death was a touch abrupt. I would’ve had that at the end of a raid not a questline.
But it was well done and even heart string tugging for me, who on the whole is pretty indifferent about the Kaldorei.
They’re going to reverse that to kill off a different character. Only I’m sure to bring Malfurion back along with Vol’Jin whenever his fae egg hatches.
Spectacular.
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You mention that Baine is acting as a traitor because he put and potentially nearly got his people killed. I am asking this as Sylvanas essentially did the same. Was she not a traitor as well?
Was she a traitor for killing night elves? No. She’s Horde.
Was she a genocidal witch doing a really terrible thing and she deserves death? Yeah, definitely.
Still has NOTHING to do with Baine.
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Sylvanas wanted to defeat the alliance. That makes her the greatets hero Azeroth has ever seen. Anyone who stand up to alliance tyranny deserves praise.
To the last part ; I’m essentially comparing.
But by killing the Night Elves she directly endangered her people and knew this. She endangered Nathanos, Belmont, and several other Horde figures. Therefore making her a Traitor as well to the Horde.
She didn’t want to defeat the Alliance, she wanted to feed souls to the Jailer. Again another ‘Horde leader’ who turned out to be evil and try to destroy everything not just the Alliance but the Horde and you as well.
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But there is no comparison or I’m not getting your comparison.
Killing the enemy is not being a traitor. Killing your own is being a traitor.
Sylvanas being a traitor is when she plagued and raised the Horde fighting outside of Lordaeron. Sylvanas being a genocidal witch is killing night elf civilians.
Baine put his own people in danger. He literally betrayed them by doing something he knew would put them in danger. Killing Horde that were doing nothing more than following their warchief’s orders is not deserving of death. They weren’t eating human babies, they were guarding a prisoner. Guarding a prisoner is not a war crime. Derek Proudmoore wasn’t an innocent. He killed his fair share of orcs when he was alive.
There’s also the fact Baine didn’t have to return Derek to Jaina. He could have hid Derek until things settled down. Jaina wouldn’t have known the difference. As far as she was concerned, her brother was burnt to a crisp by a dragon then his ashes were scattered across the ocean (nice retcon btw Blizz) 35 years ago.
Edit: Btw, I don’t know why you keep deflecting by bringing up Sylvanas’s crimes. Her being a traitor doesn’t make the things Baine did better or worse. Goes back to the old saying “two wrongs don’t make a right.”
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