* Spoilers* Sylvanas dialogue epilogue

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So I sat awhile and worked to construct the likely actual flow of dialog instead of the random mix that Wowhead presented as usual:

Pelagos: The time for your judgment is at hand, Sylvanas Windrunner.

Pelagos: There can be no true justice without compassion and I can see your deeds bear the mark of the Jailer’s influence, an influence we failed to contain.

Sylvanas: The Jailer did not control me.

Pelagos: Then you know in your heart to whom you must answer, in trusting justice to your most fervent adversary.

Sylvanas turns, and kneels for judgment before Tyrande

Sylvanas: My actions were mine alone and I accept their consequences. I do not expect your mercy.

Tyrande: What game do you play now, Banshee?

Sylvanas: Death would be a merciful end, Tyrande.

Tyrande: Until there is peace for the souls of your victims there will be no peace for you, Windrunner.

Tyrande: The Sylvanas I hunted would never submit to the blade of her enemy. Your newfound remorse might be genuine…

Tyrande: But it can never erase all you have done.

Tyrande: Below lies the Maw: An unjust fate to which you doomed so many. And it will be there that your penance begins.

Tyrande: Every Soul lost in its depths, betrayed or condemned, you shall find and send forth to the Arbiter. To be judged with the compassion all souls deserve.

Tyrande: You will toil there under Dori’thur’s watchful eye, scouring every darkened reach until the final soul is free and you are all that remains.

Tyrande: This is how you shall bring renewal to your victims… and my people.

Sylvanas: It shall be done.

Pelagos: Are there any gathered here who object to this fate?

none object

Pelagos: So be it.

Tyrande: The prisoner is in my charge now. Bring her.

** Sylvanas is walked to the edge of Oribos**

Tyrande: (to Dori’thur) , old friend. Watch her well.

Sylvanas, looking down into the Maw

Sylvanas: …However long it takes.

Sylvanas jumps from the rim of Oribos into the maw, followed by the glowing streak of Dori’thur.

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Yeah it’s an ending I guess?

I’d stopped hoping there’d be any meaningful resolution to this cavalcade of confusion at the end of the second raid cinematic.

All in all it’s just a pretty bland ending to a pretty interesting character. It’s genuinely sad this is the best use they could come up for Sylvanas Windrunner.

Become Warchief. Kill as many people as possible. Join leagues with the Devil. Help the Devil unmake reality. Realize the Devil’s up to no good. Help stop the Devil. Go to Hell and help all those souls you got there during stage 2.

Like - Why?

Who was this for? Who did this entertain? What did we accomplish?

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Absolutely no one. It was point blank narrative sabotage which the current writing team got landed with and were unhappy with, so they tried to do what they could to salvage things in a manner that didn’t result in her absolute destruction.

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Just Retcon this mess please God

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Honestly I don’t buy the sabotage idea.

That’s a comforting thought but Blizz’s in the red now in terms of expansions.

WoD, Legion, BFA, SL.

Of the past four expansions, one is generally considered to be well liked. In terms of content, mechanics, and story.

I’m kinda not seeing why this wasn’t mostly just ineptitude, and Legion was just the exception.

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Sylvanas isn’t even dead. I’m not sure why the Arbiter would be judging her at all, frankly. Or why she would be sent to other Realms as part of the usual afterlife process. That’s why killing her here would have been such an easy win—the story would have unfolded exactly the same, except she would not be skating on the whole genocide thing (among other atrocities).

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Not unless we find Dragon Balls.

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Well, Sylvanas haters got what they wanted. Far worse than being killed, Sylvanas’ character has been destroyed.

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“If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged”

Noam Chomsky

Point is, the type of “genocide” depicted in War of Thorns is not unique to Sylvanas. It was just depicted in a very emotional, in-game fashion. If Sylvanas has to answer for her successful razing of Teldrassil (to the cheers of the horde save for Saurfang) do the elves have to answer for their genocide of the Blood elves. Their trail of tears inspired forced march? Then again with Jaina and Vareesa and the purge of Dalaran? Man… maybe we can get all three windrunners on some kind of warcrime and just be done with the lot.

It was a dumb idea to uniquely refer to any one act of brutal warfare in this game as “genocide”. Best thing to do is punish it, but not draw too much more attention to it by punishing it too uniquely. Its getting where nothing is standard or makes any sense.

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He would know, being an expert in genocide denial

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Couple of things off the top of my head.

Alliance resuming hostilities with the Horde in local zones.
Alliance characters treating Horde characters with rightful scorn, mistrust and hate.
Several Alliances oriented cinematics similar to the Saurfang cinematics.
A lot of reconstruction that also involves lots of fortresses in both Alliance and Horde territories that will act as buffers against the Horde.
Gilneas restored.
Southshore restored.
Plaguelands see partial restoration and Alliance moving back in.
And Horde turning over all the loyalists they arrested for Alliance internment camps.

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So. some of this is reasonable, but you lost me at internment camps. When wars end you don’t arrest the loosing side’s supporters. Even after WWII we didn’t do that. Now arresting key players is feasible, and has historical precedent.

I doubt this will ever occur though, because their new focus is on bringing down the faction barriers. If anything we will see fortifications decommissioned based on treaties.

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Alliance didn’t win the war. There was a cessation of hostilities.

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Those can all be strung along to inform actual morally gray faction conflicts. And actually, yeah, scratch that—what Sylvanas did goes beyond the pale even discussing genocide, because she knowingly fed everyone she killed to torment and oblivion. She absolutely should get far worse in return.

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Yeah… God thats such a bad story.

I cannot accept that this is anything but a bad rewrite.

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This is where a company capable of leveling with their players would really help out, but I suspect they are contractually obligated to keep praising the product to avoid scaring the market. I don’t want to believe that SL is what they hoped for.

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Horde arrested them. I doubt they put them in motels.
As far as we know these Sylvanas loyalists are responsible for the burning.

Horde should have turned them over in BFA.

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Its been shown so far that diplomacy with the Horde is impossible. Sooner or later they break all conditions and attack anyway.

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When has logic stopped blizzard when it sets its mind to something. IF they have decided the faction division is no more and we are to sing kumbaya then the story will warp to suit that goal.

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Agreed.

With that in mind it should be said that the Horde’s Warmongers are either the Vengeful(Geya’rah and Talanji) or have left the Horde in one manner or the other(Garrosh and his followers through death and Sylvanas and her followers through ditching the Horde).

Geya’rah and Talanji are the only Warmongers we have to deal with and I’m sure Talanji is quite willing to settle for just Jaina or Genn(provided he confesses to being Rastakhan’s killer instead of Jaina)'s head.

Geya’rah might come around if the Lightbound attack Velen and Turalyon’s Draenei of course.

Once the two remaining Warmongers are resolved the Faction Divide might end.

Sylvanas is sentenced to rescue Souls from the Maw and Gallywix is now doing business with the Brokers for some purpose.

Gallywix and the Broker Cartels will be the next Capitalist problem now that Venture Co. & Blackfuse Co. are out of the picture and the only Ethereal Bad Guys still alive are Void Cultists.