[SPOILERS] Baine rescue cinematic

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@Droité-tanaris

So important that she monopolizes like 90 percent of their lore (hamstringing the Forsaken as a race)

Oh wow it’s almost as if she basically single handedly rallied them into the society they have been since Vanilla and has played a very active role in leading them in almost every major development they made as a people, thus forming the foundation of their race. Of course her presence is at the forefront of their lore, where else would it be?

@Droité-tanaris

and actually is objectively a terrible representative for them.

Besides Pyrogar, you’re the last person I’d ever believe has an actual understanding of what actually makes the Forsaken what they are and how Sylvanas is the character that represents that best.

@Droité-tanaris

She has a long history of using her “Mongrel Race of Rotten Corpses”

Are they not a Mongrel Race of Rotten Corpses? Literal rotting undead made up of a wide variety of people from Dalaran to Quel’thalas and everything in between? Is that somehow not an accurate description for the Forsaken? I know Before the Storm butchered a lot about them but this part of them has sorta always been the case. But it wouldn’t be one of your posts if you weren’t copy pasting some buzzword or phrase that’s somehow supposed to mean anything.

@Droité-tanaris

she never was a champion or citizen of Lordaeron

lol looks like I was right about you knowing little to nothing about the Forsaken. Not surprising.

Lordaeron is window dressing to the real defining points of the Forsaken at best. But I’ll just let myself from a few days ago repeat my point.

@Cailias-wyrmrest-accord

Having played Vanilla’s questing content quite recently, and the Cata stuff involving the Forsaken before that, the identity of the Forsaken comes down to three main things.

Bloodthirsty vengeance against those who have wronged them, unyielding tenacity and unification in the face of both overwhelming odds and a world that hates and reviles them, and an unapologetic willingness to do anything and everything that would help them secure their continued existence as a people and slaughter those who would get in the way of that existence. That’s what appealed to me when I started playing back in Vanilla and it’s what appeals to me now.

The Forsaken see what they want, figure out what they need to do to get it, and then they do it. It isn’t always successful, but what matters is that no one is whining about honor or complaining and moaning about having to fight their enemies while they do it. The good undead who didn’t like this left, and they’re gone. We see this in the undead who joined the Argent Dawn/Crusade. The Forsaken, from their own point of view and reinforced by their interactions with the other races in the Horde, can only truly rely on themselves, so they hunker down, lock elbows with each other, and do what they perceive as necessary without a care for the opinions of those who care nothing for them as a people.

Some people would point to Lordaeron as the main Forsaken identity, but over my years of playing the race Lordaeron has only ever really been window dressing to me, extra decor for the ruthless personalities that truly make up the Forsaken. It’s also why I roll my eyes whenever someone tries to say Nathanos represents them better than Sylvanas, despite Sylvanas basically embodying all the most important traits of the Forsaken to their fullest while also being the most prolific and important of Arthas’ victims.

Nathanos being from Lordaeron means literally nothing when he is basically just a pale shadow of the traits that embody the Forsaken best compared to Sylvanas.

There isn’t any Forsaken character in the game that is a better fit for the race’s themes and values than Sylvanas. No amount of dislike for the character or misunderstanding/ignorance of the race’s themes throughout WoW will change that.