(Spoilers) 2 specific problems with ending cinematic

It was actually Sargeras who ordered Argus to manifest into a physical form. The other Titans wanted Argus to stay in his world soul state so they could use him to imprison Sargeras.

Mythic (or highest difficulty equivalent) > other difficulties most of the time. The constellars never show up on mythic. Plus I don’t think Argus just splits into those Constellars. They more or less come down to defend him as he recovers from Aman’thuls blast. But as I mentioned before, that never happens on mythic and mythic is usually considered the canonical difficulty. See fights like Mar’gok for example. Or the can of worms that is Archimonde in HFC.

So who ordered Aman’thul then?

But it does cause a few plot holes in Legion when it comes to Magni. Magni comments that the voices of Argus, Eonar etc are familiar to him due to his communication with Azeroth. There is also the fact that Azeroth basically told Magni that she is a Titan.

Better question is if Aman’thul ever was a world soul to begin with. He just had to claim he was to the World Souls he Ordered into his pantheon and there be no reason for any of them to doubt him.

oh ffs. I already debunked this in another thread. WE SEE HIM AS A WORLD SOUL IN ANTROUS THE BURNING THRONE. During the Coven of Shivarra encounter.

Hell you can see it again for a few seconds in the cinematic that happens right before the Argus encounter.

Even better question: If the Pantheon were World Souls before being Titans, how did they emerge from their planets and what happened to their planets? Did the planets crack in half and birth the world souls, or did they teleport out? We don’t really have much evidence besides the fact that the Burning Legion dug a chasm into Argus to reach the world soul.

What if fighting to save the world soul and allow her to become a Titan brings an end to the planet itself?

you see him and a bunch of Ordered world souls. Why would one presume they would look different?

Again, who ordered Aman’thul then? Why do you keep avoiding this question?

No one did, he is the original being of Order, probably created to manage the timeways by our spooky mysterious creator gods.

Ah so the First Ones did then.

Yeah. Though they themselves might mistaken. Given the influence of the Pantheon/Sargeras.

As much as I find that a goofy name, yes.

But you also said no-one did. So which one is it?

I mean no one Ordered Aman’thul, as he was not a world soul to begin with. My present guess would be he was made much like the Eternals of the Shadowlands were, but instead in Zereth Ordos. That is the direction I am thinking they might be taking it anyways. There is some sort of huge titan conspiracy that will upend everything we think we know about them coming, that we know for sure.

So why would he regress to a World Soul when his physical body was killed? All of the other Titans did, including Argus after we killed him. And we know Argus was pumped full of Fel and secretly, Death magic.

That’s assuming what your seeing is actually a World Soul and not just the soul of an extremely powerful being

But since we generally know that Ordering planets helps World Souls birth faster, it does beg the question who ordered Aman’thul than, world soul or not

I suppose perhaps Order oriented spirits of all sorts might look like that. tbh? because they are retconning. I am mostly trying to piece together something coherent from what they have said.

Good luck to you then. Because the only thing Blizzard is ever consistent at, is being inconsistent.

Argus also pokes a whole into this theory as well. As he was used by the Legion as a battery, while the Dreadlords were secretly pumping his soul with death magic so when killed (and that is a BIG IF on their end), he would knock out the robot Arbiter. I don’t think there is at any point Argus was pumped full of order magic. Yet he was still a world soul and regressed to one again after his defeat. As seen in the ABT finale cinematic.

Then you have the similar naming scheme of Argunite and Azerite. Both having the ‘ite’ suffix. No doubt Argunite was designed to foreshadow Azerite. Blood of a titan made solid (crystal).

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  1. Azeroth was retconned to no longer be a Titan in Shadowlands.

  2. There is no in-universe reason for it. It happened because the writers wanted it to happen.

My guess is secretly the Constellar or some other random undisclosed secret Order race.

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I don’t remember hearing about this. Do you have a source? I’d like to look into it more.

I think that’s the angle they were going for in Shadowlands. I’ll search for the exact source.

As for the second, I don’t see why Vyranoth was chosen. Why not one of the other dragons who spent much more time being loyal to the Titans? Why does each flight only need one aspect?