The office of Warchief has been abolished, with the last person to hold the title declaring that the Horde was nothing and abandoning the position. The Blood Oath, penned in the days of Blackhand, is now null and void.
I guess I don’t find this surprising or offputting, considering Saurfang’s death and the fact Lor’themar and Jaina went to their respective sides and told them an Old God is on the loose. We left the Eternal Palace with the whole “we can only win if we work together” mantra.
It’s really no stranger than when my Alliance characters went around Durotar helping Vol’jin out with a common enemy in MoP.
I’m all for eventual peace with the Alliance. But there’s retaining your pride and there’s bootlicking, and Baine is a bootlicker. His first suggestion after the Alliance invaded Dazar’alor unprovoked and murdered Rastakhan in his own home was to surrender to the Alliance. Not justice, but surrender. There’s being kind and noble, and there’s being a coward. Baine isn’t half the man Cairne was, and it’s sad.
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So any citation where it is used by Thrall’s Horde other than the Taunka questline?
I seriously would love to know, even if I am wrong 
I’ve heard her say that. I was asking what the “long, long days” refers to? Did something significant happen there?
The Horde started the whole war unprovoked, and he knew that.
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They didn’t, which is something Sylvanas considered a problem. BtS had her thinking to herself repeatedly that she wished the tauren would just leave the faction so that she had an excuse to execute them all.
You literally can’t make the bootlicker argument with Anduin being a character now, come on now.
The Oath has never been mentioned since the Taunka questline. It seems to have died there.
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It wasn’t unprovoked. This began with Genn attacking the Horde unprovoked in Stormheim. Then the Alliance attacking goblin workers in Silithus. As much as I dislike Sylvanas, she did not start the war. She just turned it up several notches.
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Death to the Living.
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Yeah, there’s zero lore on the Oath beyond what the quest said, which was just “This is what you say to join the Horde”. I would assume that it’s from Blackhand or Doomhammer because it seems so antithetical to Thrall’s ideals, but that’s just headcanon.
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As for the Blood Oath, I swore it in Wrath when Thrall was Warchief.
I remember him being the one to say “Welcome to the Horde Elf.”
As for Sylvanas or Garrosh? I do not acknowledge the oaths they forced everyone to swear, simply because they were plot induced moments. My character did not appear for Garrosh or her summons and instead just went right to work with Hyjal, and later Alonsus.
I’ll be honest. For the most part I tended to just ignore and mute Sylvanas for most of Legion and BFA. Sort of like how I fast-forward through Admiral Holdo’s scenes during the Last Jedi (which makes the movie massively better). 
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Just because someone does someone to you doesn’t mean it gives you free reign to do whatever you want on the grounds of something as stupid as “They hit me first!”
You can’t even make the argument that the alliance would have done something eventually with Anduin on the throne. Hell if we’re following this logic then I guess night elves are now forever justified in anything they want to do to the horde, and there’s nothing anyone can ever say about it.
It’s a stupid argument.
Yeah, except that the quest text specifically says that the blood oath of the horde is familiar to the player…meaning, everyone had to take it back then.
<Overlord Agmar hands you a parchment.>
I give to you something familiar - the blood oath of the Horde.
Take the oath to Roanauk Icemist and initiate him into the Horde as leader of the taunka.
Let us not keep him waiting.
<Agmar nods.>
You mean after Sylvanas plagued his country and killed his son? Yeah super unprovoked.
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Just because I don’t like taking sides here, I’m just saying that the attack on gilneas wasn’t really something horrible either Sylvanas or Genn did. Sylvanas was just apparently following orders at the time, and Genn was just defending his kingdom and people.
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Many Night Elves DO believe they’re justified forever now. Anyhow, the plan as the Horde knew it wasn’t to burn the tree anyway, it was capturing the city then negotiating with the Alliance. The Horde took the city without a snag, the Night Elves surrendered, and the war could have ended right there. Right up until that point, the Horde was entirely justified.
Sylvanas deciding to make the war worse by burning the tree was uncalled for, yes. And that’s why the Horde eventually turned on her.
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Exactly this. My issue with this entire thing is that it seems like the Horde is just being absorbed into the Alliance rather than keep its own identity. That much is abundantly clear with the Calia nonsense. Why do the forsaken have to become ‘purified’ to be accepted by the Alliance? That’s what the story seems like it’s leading up to, and it’s ridiculous. Why do the blood elves need to be ‘redeemed’?
I can’t stand Sylvanas right now and was really hoping she’d shape up and take the mantle of the Horde seriously after Legion. That went down the drain when she foolishly burned down the tree and started this pointless mess. We should have banded together after Legion to go after the very obvious void threat. Our planet had just been stabbed!
I’m not on the Saurfang hype train either, I can’t stand him at all. In my opinion he should have joined the Horde hero when we were rescuing Talanji. Sure, he was pissed at Sylvanas. He had every right to be. Sure, we ‘weren’t there for him’, but we went to get him out anyway. Yet he sat there doing nothing, only to let himself be freed by Anduin later. Why didn’t he join us and start the rebellion early? It bugs me to this day and is the exact reason as to why I hate him. Not to mention, he helped plan the war and even agreed with what Sylv was saying right up until the point where he couldn’t kill Malfurion, which he even admitted in that novella would take many, many Horde lives. Dishonor or not, Malfurion surviving doomed those on his own faction to death by his own words.
Then, there’s Baine. I was on his side for the longest time, but then I had to work with Jaina, who ordered the butchering of blood elves in Dalaran that the Alliance seems to love to defend. It’s fine if the Alliance kills a ton of innocent civilians, but not the Horde? Really? She has yet to be punished for those crimes, and we had to kill even more. And I don’t want to here the whole ‘oh by they were conspiring with the bell’ thing or ‘Oh they should have just surrendered’, no. The civilians there had nothing to do with any of that, and of course they wouldn’t want to just be forcibly kicked out of a home they’d been living in for their lives. Would you?
I was angry at Sylvanas for trying to force an undead against his will (Derek), but it really annoyed me that Baine and friends seemed to care more about that than butchering more of the Horde. Not to mention King Rastakhan and his death, which again seems to be brushed aside.
Everything just seems to be tossed around and forgiven on both sides of the issue. I sincerely hate Tyrande but don’t blame her for being angry. Both sides have done terrible things throughout World of Warcraft and it’s not being addressed one bit. I really love the idea of being neutral, heck, my guild would be turned that way in a heartbeat. But via a MoP 2.0 storyline like this, with yet another Horde warchief going crazy? Ugh.
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Sylvanas was told to capture the peninsula so Garrosh could have a port. She decided to gas the entire kingdom, against explicit orders from her superior, after setting up some death camps for good measure.
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