*spoiler alert*

anyone else notice that jaina apparently doesnt know who valeera is despite meeting her in the comics.

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more like, she doesnā€™t trust her probably because she killed some belfs in dala?

what about alonsus?
alsoā€¦ why calia would send derek to kill katherine?

Think of it like a childrenā€™s cartoon. Every week the EVIL VILLAIN SYLVANAS has a new plan, and every week Anduin defeats her with the power of friendship. Thatā€™s BFA level writing baby!

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Sylvanas: Iā€™ll get you next week Wrynn! twirls moustache and flees to the SylvanasCopter

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I look at it less as Calia telling him to do that and more as really unfortunate circumstance. Basically, Sylvanas says X (we donā€™t know what she actually said or did). Baine, Zelling, and Jaina all say X is wrong. Calia somehow proves X is right on accident.

well, he canā€™t return home, so the only person he can kill is either jaina who is escorting him to people who can relate with him, or calia who is probably that person who relates to him

well jaina is still alive at least until 8.2 so i assume that some time passed between 8.1.5 and 8.2, and in that time maybe she can introduce him to katherine or tandreed.
hmm maybe katherine will see him as a monster so it may take more time. but like i said if he do it when the war is pretty much over and we are dealing with the black empire then it doesnā€™t matter that much.

even if he murder the 3 proudmoores, is not like kultirans canā€™t name another leaderā€¦ maybe lucille who seems to be capable. so really donā€™t see how that can turn the tide.

i think he will try to kill jaina, but fail

They were torturing him and holding him captive, kinda like brainwashing him. Baine mentioned robbing him of his ā€˜ā€˜free willā€™ā€™ and as you can see Derek says he has been talked about what is the current status of his relatives.

Considering how Sylvanas seemed so calmed about the situation with Baine and Zeiling, something tells me she already knew they were gonna do this to her.

she really shouldnt be surprised anyways, baine wears his distrust of her on his sleeve

Derek will kill try to kill Katherine but fail. Then hell become a new Forsaken NPC down the line and declare war on Kul Tiras using the Horde navy. Hell become a quest mob NPC in 8.3 where hell die to Jaina while she cries

Just reading it makes me die a little inside. I hope itā€™s not what Blizzard has planned. He should never end up part of the Forsaken, not after they did that to him. If anything he should be driven into joining the Alliance in a revenge fuelled vendetta against them in an ironic parallel to the Forsakenā€™s vendetta against the LK for robbing them of their free will.

Iā€™ve got my fingers crossed thatā€™s just Blizzard correcting her insane overreaction at Teldrassil and trying to put her back on track as a collected schemer.

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I think the actual victim is gonna be Calia just after Jaina makes the gross mistake of taking him to see herā€¦ I mean that would actually benefit 200% Sylvanas personal agenda more than the death of an already retired Alliance leader (whose death would make her Mary sue of a daughter go on a Hulk rampage against Sylvanas too btw)ā€¦

Uhhhā€¦ how exactly is he gonna become a Forsaken character when he is affiliated to the Alliance? Why would the Horde navy follow his words after months into comfy interaction with his sister et al? If anything, I believe he will become kill on sight under such scenarioā€¦

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Nah to kill her off this quick for the second time? After introducing her as a ā€œLightforged undeadā€? I doubt it

Calia IS a plot device and disposable. SheĀ“s not a popular choice for replacement of Sylvanas, and frankly is sort of a dead end. Also, quality wise, sheĀ“s an awful character. Her death frankly doesnĀ“t disturb the AllianceĀ“s status quo while it benefits profoundly the status quo on Horde.

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Iā€™m willing to give her a chance because, at this point, sheā€™s a flat character with no real motivations or much of anything really. If they develop her into something she has as much potential as any other character.

With her ā€œlulululā€¦ HOLY UNDEAD backgroundā€? No thanks, the only potential I see for her is in the bad fanfiction side of literature. Even her origin is awfully Mary Sueish and contrived, god. Is just like another Anduin in the making -and we better hope that tumor gets extirped before it metastasizeā€¦-

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Holy undead arenā€™t weird. Or new. But I donā€™t get why Blizzard wants to give the Horde an Alliance proxy leader so bad.

Forsaken have no notable NPCS plus it adds more soap opera tension for Jaina against the Horde.