Spellslinger Hero Talent should be changed to Conjurer/Summoner

The key phrase in this statement is “when unnecessary.” What you deem as “unnecessary” may not be what others deem to be “unnecessary.”

I understand that your argument here is that more choices are always better than fewer choices. But that statement (and in this case, that math), only exists in truth in a vacuum.

In a vacuum, there were 2 choices: having the elemental, and not having the elemental. The change to elemental removed a choice. Our net loss, in this case, is choice.

But we need to step out of the vacuum, because there’s so much more at play here. One of the big things we need to remember is development time. Every single talent, spell, ability, class, specialization, race, quest, npc, zone, instance, boss, mob, mount, toy, etc. requires a certain degree of work. Each of those things requires a different level of effort from those responsible for designing and maintaining those things.

Blizzard decided that the level of effort required to make the permanent elemental balanced, useful, and enjoyable was too high. They have clearly struggled to make it relevant for years, and I’d be willing to bet they preferred when players took the Lonely Winter talent. Even if you say “let me have the choice to keep it but let it be useless” it still poses issues because 1) it needs to be maintained in that state and 2) players will find a way to complain about it.

Given the choice of “We’ll keep Water Elemental around at the expense of not providing updates to other aspects of your class / spec” and “We’re effectively removing water elemental so that we can provide more healthy options to the rest of your class / spec”, is the choice still as “mathematically indisputable?”

The choice previously was “you can have a sugar cookie or a chocolate chip cookie.” The bakery decided that the sugar cookies weren’t popular enough and were diverting resources from the much more popular chocolate chip. So they removed the sugar cookie, but now the chocolate chip cookies are 25% bigger for the same price. Personally, I prefer sugar cookies. But I can’t deny the fact that getting more cookie is a much better deal.

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Come on people, EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY!

If you’re being serious you’re wise. The more playstyles exist in the class, the more popular it will be.

Which classes you think get more resources? Popular or unpopular? Formally disinviting the 30-40% of frost mages that were using water elemental in legion from the class by supporting the new status quo is guaranteeing fewer resources in the future. Especially if wow ends up in a dev pinch due to funding crunches or dev attrition. By the time they pulled the numbers in df i bet you most of those mages had already rerolled or quit because of how underpowered water elemental was. I got a family member to try another game, i’ll buy another family member the same game on sale right now and see if i can get them too.

Also i was the dude who called out that ab was more efficient at full charges in bfa in terms of mana during our beta if you used the right traits. I did it under my previous name, spaycemage then. I may not be a top mage but i have made contributions. No one talked about that until i did on these forums and the trait was changed.

If we got the choice back and we keep the devs in the mode of keeping lw and water elemental balanced, everyone wins.

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Honestly I’d take it even it was horribly balanced. I’ve seen how upset people get over the idea of being forced to use a pet, and making it balanced means it will one day be the meta talent choice, forcing every top player to take it even though they don’t enjoy it.

Pet’s, even an optional one that’s terrible and undertuned that no one would ever be forced to take, are a really touchy subject and they bring out the anger in a lot of people.

But yet, ideally everyone should win. I don’t like how the developer in charge decided that his idea of the class is the only idea of the class, and stripped away a harmless option that’s existed for over half the game’s life.

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You sure no one will take it again because it’s our job to do damage if this happens? It sounds like a great way to make history repeat. I feel very burned being nice to the anti pet crowd initially when i decided to play this class because it felt like this part of the lore was going to be honored when i came back in legion. The only thing i got in return for being nice was a dev who didn’t care and burned my playstyle and people who are salty that i even liked it. I want my time back.

Well this subspec is only available to frost and arcane so that’d be unfortunate.

Well I was thinking about it, and Sunfury sounds really Blood Elven, so it’s still possible for a Phoenix pet!

I like this idea also very much pal :slight_smile:
More options does not mean that everyone has to play with a pet. Thats a point that some flamer-people here do not understand at all…sadly :confused:

Upvote upvote! Let Blizzard hear that there are some people who like creative ideas instead just deleting more options!

@Nelluced
Thats also the point i do not get at all!

Why are people here are so afraid of MORE options?
Its just a win/win for the whole mage population if there are different OPTIONS and PLAYSTYLES! That makes a class intresting instead of only= all glacial…the end…boring and uncreative! :frowning: