Spell Hit not 99%

[Bonerover-stormreaver]

@Heydownthere-arugal

Please read up on probability cause that isn’t how probability works, just because it’s 1% chance to resist doesn’t mean that your resist% during a fight will be 1%.

If we have infinite instances of me casting Frostbolt with what should be 99% hit (lets not include the 15 spell resist thats irremovable), 99% of them would hit with 1% missing, else it’s not 99%.

Obviously we can’t have a sample size with infinite instances. What would be a good number to base it off of? Mine is roughly 2500 Frostbolts. My question has already been answered too btw.

[Yashamaru-atiesh]

99% hit…
1st cast. 1% chance to miss
2nd cast. 1% chance to miss
…
100th cast. 1% chance to miss

out of 100 casts…you could miss with none…all…or some…
just because you have a 99% chance to hit means nothing other then each cast you have a lower chance of not hitting. Pray to RNGeesus for the luck you need or else you may have a “high then normal” miss rate…

[Bitongo-faerlina]

@Bonerover-stormreaver

10 raids is something over 2000 Frostbolts mate.

still not large enough to say that

[Purge-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I regularly run 1% under melee hit cap in raids, because it’s only a 0.60% chance to miss(with a 2h), and using a hit item somewhere else would be a significant statistical downgrade.

Still, I have had a couple raids where I’ve missed a few times throughout them, even though I don’t make that many attack swings per boss fight. Doesn’t happen often at all, but it can and does.

Boss fights are often so short in Classic, that wild RNG occurrences are the norm. A lot of performance factors during a fight, for that reason, are totally outside of your control. Things don’t last long enough to “average out.”

[Corpseten-runetotem (Corpseten)]

@Khlause-kurinnaxx

Wow logs might categorizes resists under miss. They do this with melee counting dodge as miss.

It’s Blizzard that’s categorizing both outcomes as “resist”, not the logs. It was in WotLK or so that Blizzard finally separated them.

@Khlause-kurinnaxx

That is unfortunate that they don’t quantify that, but odds are you are not technically missing much if ever and what is happening is a spell resist.

This can be mitigated with spell penetration I think the stat is.

The level-based spell resistance that mobs get is not reducible. I had always heard about it being +8 resistance per level, although someone up above said it could be +5. Either way, spell pen won’t work on that. It’s only if the mobs have innate resistance that the spell pen will actually work.

[Khlause-kurinnaxx]

So much like glancing blows you can only do so much.

[Chainhealbot-arugal]

Easy fix, re roll fury warrior and get world buffs, ez mode.

[Fatik-arugal]

@Ascent-heartseeker

I can explain what’s happening.

Frostbolt is a binary spell. What this means when talking about spell resists (resists not misses) you will hit for either full damage or no damage at all - there is no inbetween. When a resist for Frostbolt appears, it gives the same text and appearance as a miss stating that it resists.

Mobs, for every level that they are above you, gain 5 resistance in each stat. This even includes holy resistance, and this resistance is not removable by curse of shadows or curse of elements. This is why when you cast Fireball (a spell that is not binary so you can get partial resists) you will have partial resists with curse of elements up. On boss level mobs there is 15 unremovable resistance in each stat.

Because of this unremovable resistance, even though you are at a 99% hit chance, in practice you will not hit 99% of your spells due to resists and misses appearing as the same. The unremovable resistance will cause hit capped players to see less than a 99% hit chanc

What a champ!

[Unadara-herod]

1% on average, if you could cast fbolts into a training dummy for a few hours, you would log about 1%.

Except for a few fights, most boss fights don’t last long enough to make sure you get 1% per fight. Every single cast has that 1%, and you need a large amount of casts to ensure your average sits at 1%.

On short fights your variance will be higher, but that also means sometimes you log 10% more crits.

[Drinknblink-whitemane]

I didnt read all the replies but.

Hit cap is 16%, there is always a 1% miss chance no matter what.

Frostbolt has its own rule set. It either hits or misses, there is no partial resists with frostbolt.

Fireball works different as you can hit,miss or partial resist.

Bosses will always have 24 spell resistance that can’t be removed by anything.

Which is why you get resists, but again frostbolt is either hit or miss, no partial resists.

[Bonerover-stormreaver]

@Bitongo-faerlina

still not large enough to say that

@Bonerover-stormreaver

Obviously we can’t have a sample size with infinite instances. What would be a good number to base it off of? Mine is roughly 2500 Frostbolts.

Instead of stating the obvious, answer the difficult mate.

@Corpseten-runetotem

It’s Blizzard that’s categorizing both outcomes as “resist”, not the logs. It was in WotLK or so that Blizzard finally separated them.

I think this is my biggest problem. My “hit” would probably be closer to 99% if it separated them.

@Drinknblink-whitemane

Bosses will always have 24 spell resistance that can’t be removed by anything.

@Corpseten-runetotem

I had always heard about it being +8 resistance per level, although someone up above said it could be +5

@Ascent-heartseeker

On boss level mobs there is 15 unremovable resistance in each stat.

I was told 15 and 24. Does anyone have a source?

[Drinknblink-whitemane]

No source but I have heard it was 8 res per level, and they have 3 levels on us.