Soul reaper is pretty decent… if your a deathbringer! I do like it’s free procs.
Maybe Deathbringer should replace soul reaper for frost
It’s follow up talent that has the extra scyths would be nice procs for frostscyth
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A good game designer should accommodate these two parties.
Sadly I really doubt Blizzard can do that.
Soul reaper isn’t bad by any means I’ve seen some big ones
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It’s fine right now yeah - I once got a 3 million soul reaper on a geared paladin - I guess all the procs aligned. It just should do more damage than a warrior’s execute if it goes off successfully due to how the relative difficulty of getting it to proc.
I usually see 2-3mil non crits its fairly decent due to how our damage works but ya wouldn’t complain if it hit harder but i’ve said it countless times it should just proc at 45% and we call it a day
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Procing at 45 % would be a huge buff, agreed.
It used to be like that in wod for unholy only maybe one day they will go back to that 
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I just do not like the delay as someone said with how health bars bounce its almost impossible to get it to actually execute someone.
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Well part of the point of the ability is to make healers spend more mana to keep them topped off. If we can get soul reaper to proc at 45 % it will put way more pressure on healers.
So then the passive Soul Reaper application is the go to unless its nerfed. If they both do the same damage it would always be better to have it applied passively and with 0 resource consumption.
The only way to really have both is to have the passive application be nerfed by like 30%. Blizzard tries to reward people actually using something over people that try to have it done passively.
Just kill it.
replace it and bring back merciless combat.
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Something I have been saying for years.
That a blast from the past talent, jeez takes me back, but I’m all for bringing back Merciless Combat.
Merciless combat can include death hero talent that makes other abilities execute
Like frost scy could include the extra slashes at low health
Oblit does extra damage based on other factors
FS does something as welll
Merciless combat already exists on live, it’s called Reaping. It’s just an Unholy talent instead of a Frost talent, and it also buffs Soul Reaper.
Again, when we don’t specify the spec we are talking about it just makes everything more confusing. Soul Reaper is a great Unholy talent and a lack-luster Frost talent.
Would Frost DKs prefer if Reaping and Soul Reaper changed places? That would mean Reaping was available to all specs and Soul Reaper is Unholy only. Though that would require changing Deathbringer as it is Blood/Frost only and interacts with Soul Reaper.
What they did was take it from Frost, give it to Unholy, and then change the name to a talent that Unholy had that no longer exists because the rune system isnt like it was.
Soul Reaper has never been a good designed execute. When you have to put another boon on it in case it doesnt do its damage then its not a well designed ability.
Blizzard is in the process of making classes more simple. They are acknowledging that the specs as a whole across all classes are at the very least overwhelming. Most of the people are using addons in order to make the most out of their specs and Blizzard is in the beginning stages of addressing it.
Soul Reaper just needs to go. Change whatever they have to.
Soul Reaper is my favorite ability in the game right now. I love the design, it’s a lot of fun to have it explode on someone as they run out of range, or when they try and CC you to heal only to die to a soul reaper explosion. If it dealt it’s damage right away players wouldn’t be lured into that false sense of security and would just retreat sooner and not die.
Unique interactions, counterplay, skill expression, setup and payoff, predictive gameplay, not cooldown dependent, Soul Reaper is actually peak design. If anything we need more unique abilities like Soul Reaper instead of every class just having a boring reskinned version of the same core melee abilities.
It’s not like anyone is forcing you to pick it, you can always just not spec into it, you’ll lose less damage than skipping disease or skipping festering wounds. Another option is to roll a warrior and just go play with the instant execute and leave Death Knight to the people who enjoy the mechanics ¯\(ツ)/¯
I dunno. From this thread it sounds like most people don’t enjoy Soul Reaper…
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Not something we can actually tell, the people who have a problem with soul reaper will complain, the people that don’t have a problem are just going to ignore this thread and keep on keeping on. At least until you change soul reaper, then all the people who like it’s current version are going to come out of the woodworks and complain about the change while all the people who like the new version are going to be mostly just silently enjoying their favored version.
We saw this before when they changed Soul Reaper in Legion, then after all the complaints they changed it back. There is always a risk when listening to a vocal minority, and these forums don’t even represent 1% of the player base.