Because most alliance had no issue with holding druids, there was as usual a small vocal minority that whined about it. And the things they changed that in theory actually help alliance aren’t much of a help.
I seriously fail to see how these fixes negatively affect the alliance, but there are threads of them complaining
Can we just spawn the horde all the way back of the universe already so alliance actually queue for av? : /
Most people complaining are either complaining about the fact they can’t get easy rep in AV, or that these fixes just aren’t enough. Which they’re not, really.
There’s simply no reason for anyone to do AV other than the rep, or because they want to. And there’s a serious lack of the latter.
Most people dont wanna play fat midgets.
I play bg’s for fun, and I thought AV was fun until it was a 3 hour queue and there is no competition
everyone just cares about whats in it for me.
Im open to horde nerfs or the cave being at drek thar, anything really.
Weird, coming from the faction that needed a pretty race to balance the population.
Good for you. You’re in the minority with that one. Also, yeah? What is in it for them is what matters. Alliance aren’t going to queue just so you have a fast queue into AV, and a free ride.
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I guess I am in the minority everyone just cares about gear so much, its toxic in a way people dont see, where is the playing the game for fun element.
Just because people play and enjoy the game different from you doesn’t make it toxic. Who gave you the right to decide what is and is not the correct way to play the game?
Queue times
The queue times and prevalence of sweatmades indicates that people arent happy with the situation
OMG! People have told me I was wrong about the faction balance from Vanilla and I keep telling them that the reason we got Blood Elves was because Horde faction wasn’t pretty enough to draw players when the game launched! No one ever believes me, but that was legit! LOL!
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In what way? The queue times are as they are because there’s flat out more Horde queuing into a limited amount of Alliance - which is largely their own fault, and partly the fault of vanilla balance.
The prevalence of premades is because people want to maximize their honour gain, and enjoy winning. Why not play with people you know and like over randoms?
A lot of Horde players hated blood elves when they first came out. They were upset because it ruined the, “savage and primitive” look the Horde had in vanilla. In reality, as you said, the population was so bad (something like 70/30) that they had to give the Horde blood elves and that did save the faction balance. Now though it’s the other way around.
I still hate them. I would trade them straight up for Dwarves in a heartbeat, but Dwarves and Orcs have such a long history of hatred in literally everything that it can’t happen.
But yeah, back then Alliance was quite heavily populated. People always attribute the changes made to entice Horde players as somehow the devs playing Horde. Nope. It was to try to get people to join the faction at the time.
Now those changes are absolutely stupid and many of them should be rolled back to earlier points in order to entice Horde to the Alliance side. Something something something unintended consequences and whatnot.
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The devs did and still do play Horde though. That’s a very well known fact. That’s not related to why the blood elves went to Ally, though. Back in TBC and even Wrath, early on at least, the majority of players weren’t playing for power - they are now. Which is why both the PvE and PvP community are both largely Horde on retail, as for way too long the Horde had stronger PvE and PvP racials. They’re fairly even now, but the damage is long done and nothing short of giving the Alliance OP racials will change that.
It definitely was a different “reason for playing” back then. At least it felt like it. A whole lot less min / maxing (at least on my server) than seen today.
As for the imbalance, maybe. I would transfer one of my Horde 60s to Alliance simply to have fast queues in PVP lol. I doubt I am alone there. The racials themselves are actually fairly balanced on the pve side of things, but they definitely skew horde for pvp. Honestly I think the biggest major difference is Shamans vs Paladins. Maybe it is because I only ever raided with them in TBC, but I always thought Shamans were a stronger addition to a raid in Vanilla. Might be personal bias though.
What’s different with the alliance boycott in 2007 and now? Before you respond you might want to google alterac valley boycott 2007 and read horde complaining about 56 minute and hour and a half queues. What’s horde AV queue currently hitting?
The OP may be insincere, but he is correct that this change will increase horde queue times.
It’s not hordes fault alliance can’t premade pug stomp AV anymore and refuse to queue. Blame min/max mentality AV wasn’t this bad in vanilla.
No, and we were also way worse as players and far less knowledgeable. That’s not a good excuse for why it’s not worth it for Alliance to bother with AV. Better to go into AB/WSG where it’s 50/50.
Dont need to google it, I experienced it firsthand.
The difference is AV completely stalled for a couple of battlegroups because alliance were losing well over 90% of their games in brutal fashion. It wasnt worth their time doing it so they didnt do it. We’re not there yet.
We all know that AV queues are going to get worse - for multiple reasons - its the assumption that the horde give a crap about that or even half of them. They dont - so its not much of “gotcha!” by pointing it out.
I thought you all boycotted AV anyway?