I think the aoe voodoo totem would be cool for like an aoe hex. Really fun and semi useful. Or something like that . Just more new things in general. 
Unplug from the Legion/BFA meta and get back to a point in the game where the majority actually played the game. Not one of the lowest sub counts for retail in the history of the game. Blizzard knows this, thats why they are adding abilities back.
Ok fine its not needed, so lets get rid of Earth Ele also then. Because it is also not needed. as you said…
So I guess based on your statement, Earth ELE isnt needed either. But I do agree its not really used in PvP unless you fight a pet class, wonder where that would come in handy…
No ST will not pop them out of stealth, but if notice in my previous response I never said it would. I said Magma Totem, which can also have 100% uptime does. They cant kill the totem in stealth or it pops them out of stealth…
Now onto ST. Every thing you said is spot on about rogues having to use a CD. GOOD. I want them to use a CD to get into stealth if they want to open again on me. Also, if they are using another GCD to kill the totem, GOOD, I want them to. That 1.5 seconds longer they are in combat. Thats 1.5 seconds longer before they can get into stealth and possibly ruin their tactic.
Uhh yeah. The healing yourself is what a hybrid is supposed to do. Thats obvious. However, healing yourself does nothing to prevent CC chains like a trap or HoJ does it? Its absolutely rediculous to suggest that grounding shouldnt be baseline. I just dont see where this defensive isnt useful, and guess what, its not a maintenance buff…
EHH not really. Destro/mages are all casters that are better. Only Zeepeye used ELE in the Arena Tourney and I think he used it in just one match. And he is widely considered the best ELE in tournament play. Also, participation on the ladder is the lowest its ever been.
Its not a lost cause, because guess what they are going to add back… Buffs. They are doing it with pallys. In any scenario, we will have to wait and see if “hurts” are damage come shadowlands. Keep in mind, while you tell me to go back to classic, your “leave classes as they are” mentality is the minority, not the majority. Blizzard knows this, thats part of the reason classic has 3:1 subs.
to blizzard giving back something they took away is class identity.
Do you even PVP? For like yhe 5th time at least. Taunts havent worked this way in PVP for an extremely long time. EE is not taunting any player or pet.
As for your other arguments. No one is trying to hold shamans back. We are trying to prevent it from going backwards.
There are plenty totems in the game. You have access tonthese totems by choice. But you and others want all of these baseline and more which places them into 1 of 2 categories.
- Mandatory and must be used.
- Insignificant and not worth bothering with.
So I am not trying to force people to play shaman the way I want it to play you are. Inlike that in the current set up you the individual player has the ability to make the choice to go heavy totem or not.
PVE wise can choose TM the best talent that row dmg wise. You can also choose LMT which isnt the best but not a horrible talent. This gives you 5 totems and 2 extra buttons to push.
PVP or WM you can add to those 2 by choosing Grounding, Skyfury, counter strike totems.
Now you have 5 totems that you “CHOOSE” to play with. You and me and everyone else has choices. Somehow you want to remove/reduce thise choices by making them all baseline.
Having these baseline will come at a cost usually in the form of loss of dmg/healing/dmg reduction/etc…
Now I know you are gonna come back and complain about why should you have to choose totems over other pvp talents like SR/Lasso/etc.
I like those choices. You have to choose what is important to you and what you are willing to sacrifice to give you the gameplay you desire. Just as the current azerite traits forces you to choose between offensive and defensives unless you go lower ilvl tonget both. But you are still making choices. You are making choices.
Random BG WPVP wise
Just like ER and EotE are both viable
Just like MotE SE LMT are all viable
SoP PE IF are all viable
You have options and choices and we arent forced into playing LS x3. Or many other things that other classes/specs are forced into.
Why would you want to change all of that?
Yet you are trying to force others to play shaman the way you like. The majority of playerbase has agreed, evidenced by the fact they are unpruning, having less abilities is not a good design.
If totems are
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mandatory and must be used, then use them. I dont see where one buff totem significantly impacts your play that it makes the class less fun and so far behind everyone else. Or any other situational totem like grounding. Why would you want to have less utility to use in any circumstance? I dont see how this significantly reduces you ability to play the class.
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Insignificant and not worth bothering with. If this is the case, then dont use it. Simple.
If you want to play shaman with the least amount of totems as possible then do that. But keep in mind you are playing a shaman. Totems are part of the shaman class fantasy. To continue on about not wanting to play shaman with totems would be like a mage continuing about not wanting to use poly. Its a staple, has been and will be again, evidenced by Blizzcon reveal of more totems.
Real choice in talents are talents that modify existing abilities. Not adding abilities to a very bland empty toolkit. A great example is Storm Ele talent. It modifies an existing ability.
As to where I have been. I have not been playing retail and wont until classes return with abilities and PvP Vendors return.
If you arent playing retail then why are you complaining about retail. You arent getting pvp vendors back so we dont have to worry about you coming back.
No where in anything I have posted forces people to play anything. I have done nothing but repeatedly imply that the current state of the game has an extremely vast set of options to vary your playstyle. How is that anywhere close to forcing my playstyle onto anyone.
We are now at a point where you are talking in circles and trying to twist my points back on me which makes it appear as you are clueless or just trolling now to get attention.
Like your repeated claim of needing a taunt for pvp whether it is stoneclaw or EE when in fact taunts have been useless in pvp forever now.
Like your insistence that you NEED ST to be good at defending nodes or keeping rogues in combat. When it would be trivial at best.
Source?
Ya I know you have nothing
Usually I agree with you on many things in the shaman forum, but on this I will have to disagree.
I complain about retail, because I love the game, just like you and many others. I would rather play retail but only in state where the game fits my qualifiers as good. If currently fits your qualifiers, fine, we can agree to disagree. It currently doesnt fit mine and many others.
Here you go:
http s ://www.wowhead.com/news=295273/classic-triples-wow-subscription-revenue-in-august
http s ://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=2mnTBsBdrFA&feature=emb_logo
Yes I know its from August and likely that has gone down, but that are the latest stats I could find.
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