+2s seem to be harder than +12s are right now due to the play of the people joining them.
Ran a +2 priory early this week after getting my rogue to 80. Tank wouldn’t wait for Shaynemail to path and pulled him with everything at the top of the stairs. Twice. Got flatlined and seemed to have no idea what was doing it.
Then when we finally got that down he figured he’d pull both of the lightspawn packs and all of the little mobs straight into Aemya. Dies again and says “One more try?” as if anything other than his pulls are the problem before repeating the exact same pull, dying again, and leaving.
Yea it’s pretty wild when I’m failing 2s-5s with pugs (who have supposedly done the content, mind you) while doing well over a million hps overall, but on the rare occasion I’m able to get some friends together (or I form my own group), we triple chest a 7 and I only have to do 500-600k hps overall. Lmao.
This is why I stopped healing for pugs originally in the first place. Guess I should just stick to that philosophy after all. I just got ansty wanting to gear that toon and didn’t have anyone online. 
Assuming they log. And you also cannot assume someone is bad because they don’g log.
Rating and iLVL mean absolutely nothing these days. Worse is that you only need half 12’s and half 13s to get 3K for the last achievement, which for many of us is our limit because there really is nothing past that, and with the iLVL increase getting that now is super easy.
We really need to push Blizzard to log their own data so we have something to work on other than two numbers that can be purchased and mean nothing.
The only thing that will change is Blizzard’s data will show that pushing to make the learning curve harder hasn’t worked. Yet. So they’ll find ways to double down again. The belief that learning to play videogames is an extra special process entirely unrelated to how humans learn complex systems in real life is too strong.
It’s irrelevant if people learn or not, it’s rather there should be difficult content for people who want it.
People who want to learn will, people who don’t, won’t.
It’s funny because they do the opposite.
Every season is the newest “easiest season ever”
They keep nerfing content. Making it easier to get rewards. Adding regular late season items to boost your ability to get over the hump
If they made it any easier you would just it in the mail for logging in
And yet people find new and inventive ways to actually suck at the game, lol. It’s a feat worthy of its own achievement, really.
“Keystone Carry: Achieve 2500 IO while dying at least 4 times per dungeon and not using an interrupt, crowd control, or defensive ability”.
Players are bad because the bar for success is extremely low.
Like no one really sets out to do mechanics, people only do mechanics if it’s required.
If the bare minimum is too low, you can always do higher keys.
But see, lack of rewards is kind of demotivating.
Not even cosmetics.
And title is out of reach.
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The reward is the growth. Being better than you were yesterday. As long as it’s fun, keep pushing imho. It doesn’t really matter how easy a 10 or a 12 is if you’re doing keys you find engaging at 6 or 16 or 26. It’s about the experience.
It’s perfectly okay to opt out of pushing higher keys. It easily becomes more toxic the higher you go, and, really, the mount you get isn’t different enough to justify getting KSL. And if you aren’t pushing for the title, Resilient Keys is a very limited option.
Keystone Hero, though, is a much better goal as you get those shoulder and helm transmog effects for all the tier levels. It’s a lot easier attainable and coincides with getting the portals, too.
It’s true a lot of bad or unqualified players are playing right now for the last minute rewards. Stay vigilant and use your ignore player function often to stop seeing the bad and hopefully you start seeing some good.
In my experience it hasn’t been any more toxic. I have yet to have a bad experience pugging above 16.
“Yo”
“Route?”
<Wipe and now we know we can’t time it>
“It’s over boys gg wp” from everyone
“Nt nt nt nt”
Or
“Ggs nice sht let’s goooooo” when timing
Just missed an 18 rookery by a minute and two people apologized for mistakes they (thought?) they made or made and everyone said ggs
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Well according to some on here, if you don’t have 3k+ IO every single season, you don’t know anything about M+ and have no right to comment on the state of the game mode in general. Lol.
Taking a break from hardcore pushing automatically gets me snubbed out of these discussions because “I haven’t even done challenging content, have you even done 18s bro”". As if running hundreds of keys each season for several expansions and having at least KSM, if not more, each season on multiple toons…all while mostly pugging and doing things the hard way…counts for literally nothing. The elitism is starting to get off the charts.
I know these dungeons better than half the people that have done +13s, lol.
And I have pushed higher multiple times in the past, so I don’t know why people just look at my current scores and go “get gud, scrub”.
Having said that, it’s refreshing to have someone say “you know what, it’s okay to not beat your head against the wall in bleeding edge content every single season”. It’s also nice to see someone acknowledge the problems that we do occasionally face in lower- to mid-tier pugged endgame content.
I may bite the bullet and push KSH here at the end by strictly sticking to my own groups and being incredibly picky, for sure. I’ve got zero interest in stressing over 3k, but with two toons at 2200/2300 (and more right behind them) I suppose I might as well grab that last little bit for the KSH rewards.
No. Thats not how it goes.
Its people that are like “I have strong opinions on high end m+ balance, but I havent done any m+ since Legion”
People have cried out for m+ to be made so easy, that KSM no longer matters.
Never has. It’s just a small bit of reassurance.
People just buy boosts. The game is completely and utterly pay to win, nothing means anything.
Well, there’s a thing about this.
It’s fair to not have the drive to push rating, for example, I don’t do hard rating pushes because I have no reason to, I go for the rewards I want then stop.
BUT
It’s not fair to claim to know more than people who are currently pushing higher ratings regardless of prior experience if one isn’t also currently pushing the same content. It’s like saying, “I cleared ICC in Heroic, I am prepared for Mythic raid in TWW” because the experience is a bit different each season.
who said anything about race?
Its the Courtier’s Reply.
“You must study clothing before you can say the emperor has no clothes”.
Where’d you pull that one from? I was specifically saying that it defies common sense to claim to know more about something you aren’t doing than the people who are. I pushed rating for a season before but it would be stupid for me to say I know more about M+ than people who are pushing rating this season.